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abhradyuti said...

hey PRASUNDA.
kemon acho?/
actually i came across an mit press release that talks about the "cold start" doctrine.
it says that the doctrine is at best is at an experimental stage of implementation.is it true??
it also claims that in the 5 exercises to test the doctrine there were very little jointness in between the IAF and the INDIAN army.besides going onto question if the IBGs (it mentions about 8 division sized integrated battle groups)has been raised.
the release also says there severe lack of logistics that are required for such a doctrine,which envisages offensive actions inside enemy territory.
apart from these it also mentions about the lack of field artillery firepower that is required for such a doctrine.
the release says that the IBGs would be stationed close to the border along with the pivot corps to provide them with offensive capability.
i had thought that the IBGs would act independently.is it true???
it was also considered to provide the pivot corps with sufficient firepower to conduct operations inside enemy territory.
so what i wanted to know that what the report mantions/ssumess are correct or not??
please give us some insights.

abhradyuti said...

i as u have mentioned already know about the shortages of close air support.
so CAN U TELL US WHEN WOULD THE INDIAN army become fully cold start capable???????
that is with all the artillery, raising of IBGs,close air support ,network centricity and jointness,providing the pivot corps with offensive capabilities and relative restructuring,logistics.????????

abhradyuti said...

theere have also been estimates that for the cold start doctrine to be fully operational(as far as joint ness is concerned with regards to close air support,battlefield air interdiction)
the IAF would need 1400 aircrafts.
however dont u think the acquisition of dedicated fighter ground attack (like a-10) would be enough provided the IAF Acquires deep penetration and other transport aircrafts and helis according to its requirements.

li hung said...

so you admit america import our wires and use them in technology so itproves that nothing wrong with our wires.
so why missile night test failed.
First learn to deal with pakistan then think about dealing with us.India has a long way to go to match us.
Even pakistan is making fighter jets with our help.
you wana be our friend ..........
but .......

Anonymous said...

to anon@Nov 28,2009 9:37:00PM

Sadly we should have known of the saying; "you throw peanuts, you get monkeys". a cognate should be "you throw pittance, you get Chinese
This is a comment made in bad taste .atleast the chinese have come up through sweat and toil literally than to sit around complaining like us.Japan used to be a cheap manfg base during the cold war but went on to become a developed country.I believe that china too is on the same path but will take some time as it is a huge country and getting everybody to be participate in the nation's development will take time unlike japan.They are already on track to use the recession to establish hi tech industries in china with foreign collaboration and move into high end quality prod .by 2020 they will have gained a foothold in the hi tech industry and all the low end cheap manfcg will be done in other poorer countries while we concentrate on have politicians debating a Ram temple.

Anonymous said...

lihung, lots of tests have passed, but some failed. so far more agni 2 tests have passed than failed. same goes for agni 1, agni 3, prithvis etc... large nos of american missiles too have been failing. the most tested which is the BMD has failed countless times.. probably due to shitty chinese crap on it. forget missiles... thousands of babies died worldwide thanks to brilliant chinese tech of incorporating melamine powder into milk LOLZ..

Anonymous said...

anon, even w/o such dependence on foreign investment india has been able to develop a considerable industrial and services base that china is inviting indian it biggies to come invest in their parks. for your info, japan already had a strong industrial base as early as WW2!! their technology was as advanced as the US. have u heard of the SenToku Submarines, which were the largest in the world during WW2 (and earliest submarine aircraft carriers)? Or their Hosho aircaft carrier (the first in the world)? They were indegenously building all sorts of things including radios, cathode TVs, even cars (Toyota AA, 1936; Nissan 70, 1938 etc.). And mind you these were not cheap and useless copies. After they were wrecked in WW2 they needed foreign money to rebuild, so they started assembling and manufacturing. But most today-famous Japanese companies were formed before Cold War (sony, 1936; Panasonic 1918; Nikon 1917; Casio 1946.. I can go on and on). These companies had an indegenous resource and tech base from the start, which was wrecked in WW2. In fact even in the 60s and 70s (during cold war), Japanese cars were already competing with European cars in Asia. China on the other hand exports a bunch of cheap junk which is poisoning everyone. Whatever of quality produced is Made in China by USA/EU. That was not the case with Japan in Cold War. So don't compare Japan with China.

abhradyuti said...

yeah obviously.
ANYBODY knows what MADE IN JAPAN is all about.
JAPAN ia itself a brand standing for unparalleled homegrown technology and quality.
as far as urcomments on politicians go i think u shud be more careful especially since you by making such statements belittle our own home grown brand of ENTREPRENEURS who are respected the world over.
ONE MUST ALSO REMEMBER THAT OUR GROWTH STORY IS LARGELY DUE TO OUR ENTREPRENEURS.
as far as CHINA not being able to make so much industrial progress is concerned i think it was mainly due to their COMMUNISM.
however even after adopting free market policies i find the CHINESE just big cheaters and copiers.

Anonymous said...

November 29, 2009 10:00:00 AM

Your argument abt japan having an industrial base prior to the cold war is correct but to kill a recovering japan ,it decided that Japan was to be de-industrialized. The dismantling of Japanese industry was almost complete when the Korean war forced a change in priorities and US invested in their military industies to fight in korea

japanese govt invested in infrastructure:highways, subways,high-speed rail, airports,port facilities,dams, communications sector of the Japanese economy in the 60s(almost destroyed)

yen was undervalued which motivated the United States to devalue the dollar since the japanese exports were cheaper in international markets,and exports to japan were expensive in 70s(~ china today)and pressured japanese to abandon the currency peg exchange rate.the japanese grew by imposing import duties and consolidating its domestic industries into huge conglomerates
and giving up short term profits.

And it seems u r not aware that Chinese industries owned by US corporations follow the US STANDARDS .the melamine incident reflects scant regulation of the domestic manufacturing industry whose shares r supposed held by govt officials rather than lax standards

Anonymous said...

anon@November 29, 2009 10:00:00 AM

everything the chinese export follow US standards and are allowed to be marketed in the US by their respective regulatory boards instead of banning them like the US food&D banned ranbaxy if im not wrong.

The japanese did sell cheap goods in the 50s&60s due to currency peg.
Indians on the other hand should have grown exponentially with their human resources (British edu-sys,established edu-institutes in higher edu),intact industry &infra after WWII ,availability of tech or willingness to trade with India and a democratic govt.But our corrupt politicians have caused a lot of harm to us.By not encouraging private entrepreneurship they have killed legitimate competition in wealthy individuals so as to retain power

Anonymous said...

to abhradyuti

just big cheaters and copiers
The Intellectual Property violations in china happen becoz of the west's inability to force china(bad reln with the biggest market)and a huge market to monitor.but then chinese just dont go abt copying everything.the western companies by chinese law have to form joint ventures to manufacture there and over a period of time share their IP rights.
This is what business is all about.This is abt better negotiations w.r.t trade.The Chinese will move on to high tech prods in the next decade.
The US has relaxed its export of high tech goods to china and china already has EU investment like airbus.

Anonymous said...

lol to our china friend, that's what i am saying!! US owned companies manufacturing in China (ie Made in China by USA) are perfectly fine. The problem is with Chinese brands, home brands!! Look at Sanlu, the coolant toothpaste etc... Mattel subcontracted toys manufacture to a China firm and it was lead infested. You've agreed to this key point here. China's own companies are shit. They are where they are today because of the Americans, who manufacture there, and buy it back. China is so dependent on USA and the EU, even India at present for their economy since it's export oriented. India on the other hand is a consumer driven economy. India has far better, more reputable local indigenous companies. China is a manufacturing country. How many world famous watch manufacturing or calculator manufacturing or HiFi manufacturing companies do they have? I know they have thousands who manufacture copies that wouldn't last longer than a week. India is a services country. I don't need to name Indian services companies which are some of the largest around.

Anonymous said...

about copying - yes, western cos have to form JVs, but that isnt a passport to copy IP of your partner and sell it. even worse, they are so selfish cunts that they not only copy, but also introduce all sorts of substances into the products which have caused numerous deaths and disability to people worldwide. If u compare Japan, I never heard of these kinds of things during their course of (re)development

Anonymous said...

Japanese selling cheap goods - yes they did, but they were not cheap, substandard copies of western goods. They were cheaper than western goods, and were of quality. Cheap ain't mean bad. If Chinese are cheap and good, all the better. however everyone knows the flowery reputation Chinese goods have. I was working with KTMB, the national Malaysian rail company for 3 years when I was there. Ask any KTM staff about the Dalian locomotives Malaysia got from China. They are half the time in the yard, spoilt. Same case with Pakistan and Vietnam who bought those trains. KTMB also operated User IR Indian YDM4 Locos too. Just Google "KTM YDM4 Reliable" and "KTM Dalian reliable" (do in Google Malaysia). I have numerous other stories from the countries I've worked in. Where can China go by just churning out crap, then executing other people not the real culprits (as in the Sanlu case).

abhradyuti said...

to the gr8 anon who said "US had banned ranbaxy and stuff."
well my friend i dont knw if ur the pakistani guy or just another PESSIMISTIC asshole sitting there,WHOSE,probably jus sitting back and contemplating moving to CHINA and US,ETC.

actually its just for, the sitting idle chaps pessimistic,chaps to know that INDIA has the world's largest FOOD AND DRUG AUTHORITY(FDA) BASED CERTIFIED LABS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD JSUT AFTER THE us itself.
now how did this happen INDIA as u hopefully would know has not supported FDI as much as chine.
yeah they have started flowing in but this has our 9 percent growth as a reason more tahn opening up of the economy,as a reason.
so u see there were no exchanges to the level that the chinese have with the western MNCs.
u hopefully would not be so idle as to forget(selectively) that all these companies were there way before the GROWTH story had set in perhaps even before the opening up.
SO WHAT U OR ANYONE GET IS A WORLD CLASS COMPANY THAT IS HOME BRED,FUNCTIONING UNDER SO MANY LIMITATIONS YET DELIVERING SERVICES/PRODUCTS WITH INNOVATIONS THAT REDUCE THE COSTS OF THE SAME MEDICINES BY 50 TO 80 PERCENT.
AS A RESULT EVEN THE WESTERN BIG PHARMA COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO FALL IN LINE.
AND IF U DID A SURVEY UR GOING TO FIND MILLIONS OF COMPANIES VARYING IN SCALES BUT WITH THE SAME POTENTIAL.
AND THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WHY THE CHINESE SHIPPED HUGE QUANTITIES OF FAKE DRUGS TO THE WEST AND LABELLED THEM MADE IN INDIA.
ONLY TO BE LATER DISCOVERED BY THE AUTHORITIES.

THIS IS OUR STRENGTH.
THE CHINESE HAVE THEIR STRENGTH AS WELL AND THATS MANUFACTURING.
SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS CREATE A MANUFACTURING BASE AS GOOD AS CHINA'S.
WE HAVE TO MOVE OUR EXTRA LABOURFORCE FROM AGRICULTURE TO MANUFACTURING.
obviously low skilled manufacturing as well as medium and hi skilled manufacturing have to be developed.
and i think we can do it much better than the chinese,especially with their rotten goods.

abhradyuti said...

and take it or not INDIA is increasingly progressing to a model of private entrepreneurships.
HOWEVER i believe u also know that post INDEPENDENCE INDIA was nothing but a socialist economy.

abhradyuti said...

HEY GUYS.
since prasunda is not here i thought i may just as well ask u guys a few questions.
can dedicated attack helicopters be enough/suitable as far as close air support is concerned while fighter ground attack aircrafts could play a more of a air interdiction role????????

Anonymous said...

lets cut this crap guys... especially chink and paki morons

Anonymous said...

to prasun

can you post something about infra red and semi active missile seekers used in russian air to air and surface to air anti air craft missiles

Anonymous said...

to abhradyuti asshole

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2008/September/18090802.asp

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has BANNED the import of more than 30 drugs made by Ranbaxy, India's largest drugmaker. The ban - which includes generic copies of simvastatin (Zocor) and the antiviral drug acyclovir - covers the drugs made at two Ranbaxy plants which the FDA says failed to meet current Good Manufacturing Practice (cGMP) standards.

The FDA investigated the two plants, in Dewas and Paonta Sahib, India, early in 2008. Investigators found 'significant cGMP deviations', which include inadequate cross-contamination control, inadequate sterile processing operations, and a lack of record keeping


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I have no plans to move to china but in 2020 Indians contemplating moving to china may be the norm and
India may have a large no of testing labs but still the overall food and drug safety in India is way below the west .this is primarily becoz of numerous agencies enacting numerous laws contradicting each other.these laws are not ENFORCED in practice either.
Regarding me being pessimistic,its better than being unreasonably optimistic like u and take indian entrepreneurs to be highly successful in every venture as it is difficult to do business in India with its regln and laws so ur assmptn of these biz being always successful in foolish to put it slightly

Anonymous said...

the dumb cunt above first compares china with india..now comparing india to the west.. why not compare yourself to a lame donkey, a worthy competitor.. son of a bitch

abhradyuti said...

look here is a saying and it had been framed long back by people who were much cleverer than u or me.
"having a pessimistic guy is worse than having an enemy".

"The FDA investigated the two plants, in Dewas and Paonta Sahib, India, early in 2008. Investigators found 'significant cGMP deviations', which include inadequate cross-contamination control, inadequate sterile processing operations, and a lack of record keeping. No safety issues have been found with the drugs themselves - and the regulator recommends patients continue to take any Ranbaxy medications they have been prescribed."
ITS UNDERSTANDABLE WHY U EXCLUDED THE LAST 2 LINES OR SO.
PERHAPS THAT WOULD HAVE UNDERMINED UR "CLAIMS"
however the fact still remains INDIA has the largest FDA approved laboratories outside the US.
while certain incidents cud be here and there,they are best left as "one off" incidents.
as compared to the chinese with whom this is the norm.
if ur to be believed then the FDA should have not given so many approvals and why did the CHINESE copy INDIAN drugs???
well may be, when i assume, that the INDIAN entrepreneurs are among the finest in the world is untrue but the numerous awards and felicitations as well as simultaneous recognition from the world over perhaps wont sound as untrue to u(given ur foreign fixations/impressions).
and its exactly those situations(unfriendly) that have made the INDIAN firms become world class.
they have thrived in adversity.
hence the INDIA growth story is entirely due to them or do u want to say there is no GROWTH story and soon it would wear off.
well if PESSIMISTIC morons like u do not have any plans to go abroad and settle there i dont think anyone would like to.
ogh this might deflate ur false esos but in the past three years about 60000 US entrepreneurs have come back to INDIA.
well INDIA may be a land of DIFFICULTIES BUT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO VIEW INDIA AS A LAND OF OPPRTUNITY.
SO BEING OPTIMISTIC IS GOOD.
AND NO ONE APART FROM YOU IS BEING UNREALISTIC.

oh even after such cancellations the FDA has gone on to approve numerous drugs from the same maker RANBAXY.
i wonder why they did that.?????
MAY BE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FORTUNE OF HAVING UR EXTRAORDINARY INTELLECT IN THEIR ORGANIZATION.

even after forming JV and allowing FDIs and being a better place for business the INDIANS had about 13 firms in the fab 50 list of FORBES where as the CHINESE had 16.
given their economy's size the numbers are highly disproportionate.
I GUESS EVEN THIS TIME THE FORBES PEOPLE DIDNOT HAVE EXPOSURE TO UR PRECIOUS AND HIGHLY INTELLECTUALLY INTENSIFIED KNOWLEDGE WHILE COMING TO SUCH COMNCLUSIONS.
hey man u i belieev are going to go on to win the nobel prize for economics.
congrats before hand.

Anonymous said...

abhradyuti: ITS UNDERSTANDABLE WHY U EXCLUDED THE LAST 2 LINES OR SO.
PERHAPS THAT WOULD HAVE UNDERMINED UR "CLAIMS"

Exactly bro! This dumb pessimist looks more like a dirty paki or chinky cunt to me. Ranbaxy, Workhardt, Serum India etc drugs are globally accepted. Their generic and indigenous drugs are exported worldwide with no issues what-so-ever. Small precautionary issues crop up here and there, but as proved, they are nothing serious. Nothing a fraction as serious as the deaths attributed to Chinese milk and pet feed. Talking about medicine, just today in Times of India - 4 people killed by Chinese H1N1 drug LOL.

No mate, this pessimist should win Nobel Prize for Logic! I know none exists till now but they should create one. Cunts like him (if he ever is Indian), instead of contributing and supporting the growth of India sit and complain. He's just a toad in the well.

Anonymous said...

Hey Prasun, hopefully u r enjoying LIMA. I wanted to come over to Langkawi (I really wanted to see the Aussie F111s) but had to shelve the plans as something popped up. Bro, u said before, regarding the ATV that it's a technology Demonstrator and will not be inducted into the Navy, and you supported your stand by saying no serving IN officer has called it INS Arihant. However today, this appeared in Times of India. "INS Arihant will be inducted into the Navy in two years or so," Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma told reporters here ahead of the Navy Day on December 4.
Check out http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Indigenous-nuclear-submarine-in-two-years-Navy-chief/articleshow/5292923.cms

He also explicitly says it will be commissioned into the navy.

My apologies for the clutter created above but some dirty cunts have to get a befitting reply. You may remove all these non relevant comments at your discretion.

Anonymous said...

Hey you overtly optimistic fool i am not that optimistic to post the link and expect u miss the 2 lines.

i dont know who said that but being pessimistic also allows for pragmatism
The indian drug industry u seem to have high regard of,do have entreprenuers behind them and they do sell drugs in the US but these are drug manufacturers who put miniscule sums to research and have manufacture only GENERIC DRUGS which to you not so bright brain means equivalent of legal patented drugs whose ingredients's patents have expired or the whole'formula's patent has expired.The Indian companies do not have to spend on R&D which is done by the big pharmaceuticals which is why they still r not looked at as legitimate by global pharmas.all the Indian cos do is reverse engineer them and manufacture them at lower cost and sell at lower cost making money .They do not develop new MOLECULAR FORMULATIONS or 'new drugs' and have very few patents.In spite of your over the top optimism regarding these cos ,they are targeting and planning to expand in the generic drugs industry only and are the no1 in generics ahead of the chinese world over but they will catch up.The indian drug industry will have to compete against major western cos entering Indian market after the govt enforced IPR in 05.the global biggies spend more money on r&D than the entire revenues of the Indian pharma which are low cost competitors.They r set to capture a huge chunk of the Indian market away from the domestic ones .Regarding Ur assumption that Indian pharmas are thriving is only becoz Indian govt removed patents on drugs &food in 1972 which encouraged domestic cos and discouraged multinationals with patents being enforced for only 5 yrs which is primarily why u can boast abt globally recognized Indian pharmas.
They are also fighting patent infringements all the time.ex-
Lupin, Matrix Laboratories and Niche Generics are under antitrust investigations by the EU for generic hypertension drug.

a recent report of Indian drugs to Chile being seized in German and duch ports .why was that??????????
becoz the Indian as well as most of the develpg wold incl chile still have trouble recognize patents and legally trade them but when it passes tro the EU with its strict IPR laws they seize&destroy classifying them as counterfeits(though news reports say indians have a strong case).

The biggies are going to consolidate & buy out companies primarily to profit from the Indian market.to survive indian cos have to patent drugs & initiate R&D in univs.

While the Chinese have had a communist approach to health industry and have initiated market reforms recently,the hospitals are the only cust of the industry and their cos are new born and which too have been prod counterfeit drugs but the situ is changing while on the other hand our cos have been in existence for around 30-40YRS which is why you had a chance to post abt Chinese deaths.Their food&drug laws are the same as that of the US as well.
for a country the size of India and the head start in pharma it should have done much more.
regarding ur Forbes 50 list it goes without saying we r in a recession and Chinese being major exporters are bound to be hit unlike us being a consuming economy.They have their strengths as u posted earlier as do we but we squander it.People returning from the US get to participate here and take back profits while in china you need to form jvs They are shrewd in that respect.the forbes may not have needed my knowledge but CERTAINLY WOULD NOT CONSIDER YOURS
and no thnks for ur endorsement for the nobel prize4 economics I dont need it.

Anonymous said...

anon@December 02, 2009 8:46:00 AM

hey you mother fucking shithole if u do not have anything to contribute then shut your arse and dont bring ur sewer of a mouth when im in the middle of a conversation.
Their generic and indigenous drugs are exported worldwide with no issues what-so-ever.
as for wockhardt ,Astellas US sued it for alleged patent infringement of adenosine injection
http://www.gnaipr.com/Articles/Astellas.pdf
assholes like you would win nobel prize for yapping off without any knowing what they r talking.

just FUCK OFF

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l;hn said...

shut up u son of a bitch motherfuckin dickhead pessimistic fool. ur sick mother too may be consuming those drugs you are belittiling... go sit in china or porkistan... better for you

Anonymous said...

To l;hn

you mother fucking pregnant gutter pig go lick your mothers cunt or IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG TILL NOW .You SON OF A PAKISTANI WHORE go suck all your pakistani daddys dicks to fill up that fucking DUMBASS brain of yours or you dont have one? which is why you keep visiting this blog and making comments without knowinng wat yr talking abt.dont know what ur bitch of a mother consumed or wat ur consuming whatever it is the chinese sure may have better .dont peddle it here.

abhradyuti said...

Regarding me being pessimistic,its better than being unreasonably optimistic like u and take indian entrepreneurs to be highly successful in every venture as it is difficult to do business in India with its regln and laws so ur assmptn of these biz being always successful in foolish to put it slightly

THOSE WERE YOUR LINES AND WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT ADVERSITY I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE UNFRIENDLY BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT OF LICENSE-RAJ AND ETC THAT HAD EXISTED WHEN MOST OF THESE COMPANIES HAD BEEN FORMED.

The indian drug industry u seem to have high regard of,do have entreprenuers behind them

so u have yielded a bit.
anyways any fool of a guy would have known that i never mentioned made in INDIA r&d drugs.
try and impress the jury of the nobel prize with such a gr8 definition of GENERIC DRUGS.
actually look the effect of the GENERIC drugs made by INDIA have been so much that the BIG PHARMA who used to sell drugs(patented)say at 100 have reduced it by 50.
yet this is higher than the INDIAN mark of 30.
so u knw i would not have been so stupid as to do R&D when the scope for cost reduction by means of business innovation always existed.

abhradyuti said...

continued perhaps u cud have tried that and that why i have insisted upon u getting an economics nobel.lolz
as far as "REVESE ENGINEERING" is concerned i would not put it so lightly afterall coz no country or firm will give you an insight on the 'formula' for such drugs.
so what happens is when a drug goes off patent other firms can generate their own GENERICs.
now this is done by DEVELOPING NEW CHEMICAL ENTITIES(NCE) and this does require research(perhaps not as big as developing an entire drug,but research is required.
HOWEEVR WHEN AND IF THE DRUG HAS NOT GONE OFF THE PATENT LIST THEN NO COMPANY CAN DEVELOP EVEN ON THEIR OWN SUCH DRUGS.
secondly true to their ability to innovate INDIA pharma drugs are actually developing VALUE ADDED GENERICS AND YET ALL THESE ARE BEING DONE AT 30 BUCKS INSTEAD OF 100 OR 50.
now these so called big pharmas were actually exploiting the poor people,and INDIA put an end to this and as a result their (foreign)firms' lost out on revenues due to which they resorted to job cuts(which according to them are the only means for cost cutting.very much unlikely to what INDIAN companies in general).
these have forced a lot of people including GOVERNMENTS LIKE EU OR THE US TO FILE SUCH CASES AGAINST THE IND
its amazing that when INDIA (or for that matter any developing eonomy had their economies closed), these FOREIGN MNCs under the leverage (diplomatic)of their respective governments used to always clamour for opening up.
however when these emerging firms have been able to find a solution to their financial and experiential clout they cry foul forcing their governmets to adopt such measures.
so I believe for us that is itself an achievement.
NOW HERE IS A SNIPPET FROM THE MOUTH OF CK PRHALADA.
he during his speech given to the INDIA ECONOMIC FORUM talks about an INDIAN eye clinic/hospital.
npow thsi eye clinic actually conducts about 300000 eye cataract and other surgeries.THE ENTIRE UK DOES 340000.
CK himself did an audit and found out that the quality both during and post surgery of the eye and operational parameters of the eye are found to be in a better condition as to those of the UK.
while theINDIAN clinic does it for 25 million $ the COST IN THE ENTIRE OF UK TOTALS TO AROUND 2-2.5 BILLION.
SO WHAT U ESSENTIALLY HAVE IS AN INDIAN CLINIC(FORGOT THE NAME) IS EQUIVALENT TO THE ENTIRE UK.
NOW ACCORDING TO CK ITS NOT ABOUT LOW LABOUR COSTs.ITs BOUT HAVING A DIFFERENT MANAGERIAL MINDSET,ONE THAT INNOVATES AND PROVIDES BETTER VALUE TO THE CONSUMER.
this is what is business sense.

abhradyuti said...

continued
HERE IS ANOTHER ONE.
GENERALLY THE DRUG DEVELOPMENT PROCESS INVOLVESS DEVELOPING THE DRUG USING IT AGAINST ANIMALS EVALUATIONS TRIALS (several stages) followed by marketing.

now the INDIAN companies thought about WHY NOT BEGIN THE PROCESS WITH HUMANS(TRIALS),THEN AGAINST ANIMALS AND THEN DEVELOPING.
as a result of this what u get is a drug completely made in INDIA r&d in INDIA YET AT ABOUT 25 MILLION DOLLARS AS COMPARED TO THAT OF 2-3 BILLION DOLLARS OF YOUR FAVOURITE BIG WESTERN PHARMA.
this is called DISRUPTIVE ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
continuedU TALK ABOUT LOW COST PERHAPSU ARE A TATA OR BIRLA BUT NOT THE ENTIRE WORLD AND THEY DESERVE BETTER PRODUCTS AT LESSER COST THIS IS CALLED VALUE CREATION.
WHETHER THAT INVOLVES STREAMLINING EXISTING PRODUCTS/SERVICES/SOLUTIONS TO OFFER BETTER PRICES OR JUST CHANGING WESTERN ESTABLISHED MANUFACTURING/DEVELOPMENT NORMS/THINKING HEAD ON.
now one must understand that no country would be able to achieve this with low cost labour,hence u have a certain china unable to do these.
and you have a certain INDIA who is capable of doing this.
why??
the answer is because INDIA is a place of low cost SKILLS.
and hence the difference.
u shud also realise that INDIA by and large is still a poor country and hence you cannot expect everything to be like the US.
as an economy develops its standard of things like u mentioned food and drugs will improve.
HOWEVER U SURPRISINGLY BASED JUST ON YOUR SILLY ASSUMPTIONS HAVE CONSIDERED CHINA TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE AND THAT BUT NOT INDIA.
THAT IS PESSIMISM.this is also the reason why the INDIAN companies have not emphasised on research so much and more on innovation to make adjustments and they haev come out trumps.
we have world class pharma companies producing world class drugs.
however one shud note u have refrained from answering any of my previous questions and directly moved on to something else.
which is like changing the topic.

witn regards to the fab-50 the audit/shortlisting is done based on a companies last 3 years performance, so i dont really think the recession played any part as such.recession is just 1and a 1/2 years old and already there is recovery.
u would also do well to see how JAPAN developed they ha no resources and was a net importer of technology however they never gave up they took those technologies and value added onto those slowly becoming an exporter now only after they matured enough did they start developing their own technologies and the rest is history.

now i wont say INDIA HAD ANY HEADSTART AND THE REASON IS CHINA ADOPTED FREE MARKET ABOUT 20 YEARS EARLIER THAN INDIA.
WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE GRADUAL CHANGE TAHT IS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY COUNTRY THAT IS SLOWLY MATURING.HOWEVER THE INDIANS SEIZED THE INITIATIVE WAY BEFORE EVEN WHEN MARKET CONDITIONS WERE HIGHLY ADVERSE.
ACTUALLY U DONOT REALLY TEST INNOVATIVENESS DURING A ALL SMOOTH PHASE BUT WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH.
I DONT KNOW ABOUT UR AMBITIOUS STATEMENTS LIKE THE CHIENSE FOOD AND DRUG REGULATIONS ARE AS STRICT AS THE US APART FROM KNOWING PERHAPS THAT THEY ARE JSUT A FIGMENT OF UR IMAGINATION.
which is good coz it increases ones imaginatve powers.

HOPEFULLY I HAVE SHUT Ur LOUD ARROGANT AND FILTHY MOUTH TO SAY THE LEAST.

abhradyuti said...

hey prasunda
its been a long time since u have been here.
so great.
hopefully u'll answer my quetions.

regarding my comments, i know they deal wit business while this blog is all about defence
so u can omit anything u donot like.but i would request u to keep my latest 3 posts alive for some time till the guy to whom this has been addressed reads this.
thank u.

Anonymous said...

To abhradyuti

actually look the effect of the GENERIC drugs made by INDIA have been so much that the BIG PHARMA who used to sell drugs(patented)say at 100 have reduced it by 50

tHEre ARE OTHER WESTERN PHARMAS ON GENERICS and the other asian countries like the philipines as well if not the indian they would have done it.indian pharmas are merely low cost option having specialized in the generics market kinger than others in asia which us an achievenent in adversoty but so will be the chinese when they come up in near future as the fake drugs labelled as made in india shows abt their drive to get in the bandwagon of the generics mart with safety being an issue now(as is the case with indian cos 'one off incidents') .But later it will not matter as they already supply almost all of the ingredients to generics due to low cost of manufacturing.

The value creation comes after u get a foothold in the market to retain custas well as max profits.Everybody does this and its not a path breaking strategy employed by Indian pharmas exclusively
Chinese with their buisness drrive would surely now all this and their IT sector will also kick in pharmas doing value addition simce it is centered on INFORMATION and as u urself have noted indian it majors are setting up (R&D) hubs there,which means there is talent to be tapped unlike ur great NOBEL PRIZE FIXATED ECONOMICS SUPERBRAIN tells u calling them just big cheaters and copiers

however one shud note u have refrained from answering any of my previous questions and directly moved on to something else.
which is like changing the topic.


you r the one who is jumping topics who asked u SNIPPET FROM THE MOUTH OF CK PRHALADA.
he during his speech given to the INDIA ECONOMIC FORUM talks about an INDIAN eye clinic/hospital or the HUMANS(TRIALS)

As for human trials these should show u the 'one off' cases

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Healthcare/Biotech/Pharmaceuticals/FDA-approved-inspectors-plan-short-notice-audit-of-trials/articleshow/4567501.cms
it sez it is believed that Indians are treated like guinea pigs in clinical trials due to lack of expertise and adequate infrastructure to conduct trials. Experts also say that very few pathology laboratories in India follow good laboratory practices and the data generated by several pathology labs arefake
now dont get fooled by the The move comes in the wake of successful audits over the last few months that enabled the drug regulator to efficiently monitor the human trials, a health
ministry official said.


This is an older report on clinical trials india
http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/pdfissue134.pdf

Anonymous said...

THE REASON IS CHINA ADOPTED FREE MARKET ABOUT 20 YEARS EARLIER THAN INDIA.
It didnt enforce IPR or invite drug majors in china until 2003 so they have a very poor state of affairs also becoz of complex regulations like INDIA and poor distributionso u can bad mouth them .I NEVER CLAIMED THEY WERE BETTER THEN INDIA but that they would CATCH UP by the next decade as they are fifth largest market and if it gets into your NOBEL PRIZE FIXATED MIND they are boud to invest there

http://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/business-in-china/100194259-1-foreign-giants-eye-domestic-drug.html

which sez:
1 Switzerland-based Novartis, a leading pharmaceutical company, announced Tuesday that it had signed an agreement with Zhejiang Tianyuan Bio- Pharmaceutical, one of China's largest private manufacturers of influenza vaccines, to acquire 85 percent of its stake.
2 Novartis also said it would invest $1 billion to expand its research and development center in Shanghai over the next five years.
Sanofi-Aventis announced in October that it would build a joint venture with China's Minsheng Pharmaceutical Group, focusing on vitamins and mineral-based medicines.

3 In 2007, Bayer spent about 1.2 billion yuan ($176 million) to acquire Chinese brand White & Black, an over-the-counter cough and cold medicine producer.

These r just the baby steps
U urself stated that india has had long established drug industry before the chinese so for the chinese to come here is also an achievement from where they were(merely anti bacterial drugs issued in hospitals)they r growing fast making ur NOBEL LUSTING BRAIN nervous as till now they were just making counterfeuts that didnt work now they too are getting into generics and withthe RESEARcH INSTITUTES in china devoted to medicine,will have lot of students in research something that attracts foreign MNCs due to govt ploughing money into univs or establishing new ones in a very short time frame)
dont see that happening here on that scale

what already losing optimism?
oh even after such cancellations the FDA has gone on to approve numerous drugs from the same maker RANBAXY.
i wonder why they did that.?????


The fda hasnt approved any new drugs from Ranbaxy after the ban in fact they banned 30 drugs which have still not been cleared u ass

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssPharmaceuticals%20-%20Generic%20&%20Specialty/idUSDEL29000220090724

witn regards to the fab-50 the audit/shortlisting is done based on a companies last 3 years performance, so i dont really think the recession played any part as such.recession is just 1and a 1/2 years old and already there is recovery.

what recovery when exports are down and are not comming back
the inclusion of company in fab 50 has a criterion u overlooked and that is :
We whittle down the candidates by first looking at each company's five-year track record for revenue, operating earnings and return on capital. Then we look at the most recent results, share-price movements and the outlook for the year ahead. A loss in the last fiscal year knocks the company out.

so the recession has made sure those export oriented chinese cos with red ink on their books are not included.got it?

Anonymous said...

LIKE THE CHIENSE FOOD AND DRUG REGULATIONS ARE AS STRICT AS THE US APART FROM KNOWING PERHAPS THAT THEY ARE JSUT A FIGMENT OF UR IMAGINATION.

Hey chinese DO follow th US standards since they have copied it from the US but enforcing it is a different issue
understand u NOBEL PRIZE fOR ECONOMICS WINNER .if not u r d one who should go to china and observe their growth and the strides the have made or will make as whatever they set sights on, they work systematically towards it unlike daydreaming abt NOBELS like u.the domestic manfctrs are being acquired by my foreign fixated big pharmas to capture part of the generic market so that the biggies dont lose revenue as to them falling in line ,they will be the bigest pharmas wel into next decade and no independent dom manuf seems to be able to dethrone them/While the chinese move forwrd int all other sector (which was d original arg)apart from health care like the auto industry

HOPEFULLY I HAVE SHUT Ur ARROGANT AND FILTHY ASS OF A MOUTH TO SAY THE LEAST

Surendran said...

Hey chinese DO follow th US standards since they have copied it from the US but enforcing it is a different issue


YA, and the US standards sure did allow melamine in milk, coolant in toothpaste, and substantial amounts of lead and mercury in toys... and also fake drugs with a Made in India logo.

Pls.. Chinese cunts are even copying Indian Bajaj Pulsar motorcycles! Gimme a break.

abhradyuti said...

hey man enough is enough i am just pissed of ur asshole like attitude.

anyonne reading our previous posts would know who is changing topics.
initially a chap like u talked about INDIAN entrepreneurs, management,quality of products,services etc are not world class.
then u moved onto comparisons with CHINA and after that without answering a few basic questions u shift to comparisons with the US.
U CHANGE THE TOPIC FRTOM QUALITY OF DRUGS AND LABORATORIES TO IPR.

well ur right when u say
"The value creation comes after u get a foothold in the market to retain custas well as max profits.Everybody does this and its not a path breaking strategy employed by Indian pharmas exclusively"
i will tell u what is path breaking having the ENTIRE UK IN ONE INDIAN FIRM AT ABOUT 1/100 TH THE COST IS REVOLUTIONARY.
HAVING A MADE IN INDIA DRUG WHICH IS ALSO MADE BY INDIA BY SPENDING 1/100th THE COSTS IS REVOLUTIONARY.
and that is what u call path breaking coz the things have been done in their own way not the american way.

"tHEre ARE OTHER WESTERN PHARMAS ON GENERICS and the other asian countries like the philipines as well if not the indian they would have done it"
the fact6 is they didnot do it.
its competition and whoever seizes the opportunity is the king.
what one needs is someone to walk the different path.
HOWEVER WHAT U HAVE DONE IS SPECULATION WHEREAS I HAVE ALWAYS DEALT WITH FACTS.SPECULATION IS REALLY NOT AN OPTION.MAY BE FOOLS WILL OPT FOR THEM THOUGH.

abhradyuti said...

indian pharmas are merely low cost option having specialized in the generics market kinger than others in asia which us an achievenent in adversoty but so will be the chinese when they come up in near future as the fake drugs labelled as made in india shows abt their drive to get in the bandwagon of the generics mart with safety being an issue now(as is the case with indian cos 'one off incidents')
again a speculative comment.
as far as low cost option is concerned yeah they are low cost.
BUT IF ANYONE CAN DELIVER THE SAME SERVICES AND PRODUCTS AT ABOUT 1/100TH THE COST OF WESTERN COUNTERPARTS I DONT REALLY SEE ANY HARM.
that is the essence of doing business drive costs lower and as a result have a greater consumer base and multiply ur profits.

as far as ur "but so will be the chinese when they come up in near future as the fake drugs labelled as made in india shows abt their drive to get in the bandwagon of the generics mart with safety being an issue now" goes, its like glorifying the act of copyright infringement and thefts.
its like saying that as a thief steals they have a want for money and hence they will soon end up graduating to being a noble person and by doing that they will bacome rich.
we all know such stories serve as great fairytale bedtime story.
u shud try and sell ur idea toa bollywood filmmaker.hahahahaha.
my god i cant stop laughing that was a good one thanks mate.

abhradyuti said...

you r the one who is jumping topics who asked u SNIPPET FROM THE MOUTH OF CK PRHALADA.
he during his speech given to the INDIA ECONOMIC FORUM talks about an INDIAN eye clinic/hospital or the HUMANS(TRIALS)
really was i i can understand anyone fucking his or her siter can afford to sometimes forget things.
well dont worry i will help u,u can just ask ur sister to go thru the comments if u dont have much time owing to ur libidianl fixation towars ur sis and dad and mom. and she will tell u.
"it sez it is believed that Indians are treated like guinea pigs in clinical trials due to lack of expertise and adequate infrastructure to conduct trials. Experts also say that very few pathology laboratories in India follow good laboratory practices and the data generated by several pathology labs arefake"
now i know that and u along with ur sisters help would do good to understand i was never referring to the quality of trials.
http://www.pacificbridgemedical.com/newsletter/newsletter.php?year=2009&month=1 read this and they outline the fact that the chinese standards are very poor as compared to the US.
so as i told u CHINESE food and drug regulations are not good,and trials and whatever,that stands vindicated.
as regards to FORBES i wanted to make u understand the role played by INDIAN private players and their status.
however even in here well u tried but u would have done good to see that the last year CHIAN had 13 and INDIA 10.this year they have both gained 3 places.
so the relative disparity remains wrt the respective GDP of the countries.
again u would also do good to realize that the companies ,ma\ny of them,are infrastructure companies wrt china.
which is understandable coz they have focussed on infrastructure,and the govt had give a $500 billion plus aid,which mainly focussed on infrastructure creation.
as compared to such a dizzying figure WE have done no aid at all.
so instead of government filling the coffers of companies like the cjhinese do we have companies who do it on their own.

as far as CHINESE COMPANIES STAKES BEING ACQUIRED.
WELL,THEY WILL DO IT COZ CHINA WILL BE A BIG MARKET.
BUT THAT DOESNOT MEAN INDIA WONT BE A BIG MARKET.the last day u had mentioned about sooner or later foreign companies coming and buying them,however in this case u have refrained from using any such words.
haha donot mention figures here is something that will make u go figure.
daiichi sankyo has bought 51% stake in the RANBAXY for $4.6 billion.
well yeah ppl are setting up LABs there but they are doing so only to address the domestic market
while that is a trend that persisted even in INDIA but companies are actually moving towards making INDIA a global r&d hub especially to address the bottom of the pyramid.
u knw may be ur rich thanks to ur slut sister or otherwise but that doesnot make others rich and hence if a firm without the leverage of MNCs indulge in innovation to bring costs down then i dont think CAPITALISTS like u shud mind.
"HOPEFULLY I HAVE SHUT Ur ARROGANT AND FILTHY ASS OF A MOUTH TO SAY THE LEAST"
now u have started copying me just like what the chinese do.hehe.

abhradyuti said...

listen man whatever i have said has nothing to do with optimism.
they are just facts that are widely known and accepted the world over albeit grudgingly.
thats why they ofdten jump to such loser like statements like LOW COST and this thing is not right and that is not right.
u of course are one of them.
so stop being a loser and start being a winner.
its ur effort of belittling such widely accepted facts taht have ledme to assume u as being a contender worthy of a NOBEL.

abhradyuti said...

as far as me considering myself worthy of a nobel is concerned certainly anyone would like to have it but tperhaps i donot have the intellect to do so anyhow that doesnot really mean i cant put forward my views especially when they are widely reagarded by one and all.
if u have finished with ur agenda of fuckin ur family u can take a step outside and try to convince the world that china is not a copieror cheater.
and u can go on doing so till the moment u are fed up and shift back to ur agemnda of fucking ur sis.
whjo i hope by then would have come out of har liaisons with othert males.

Mike D said...

abhradyuti: Just because Prasun is not actively participating in his blog at the moment it doesn't give us 'visitors' the right to go off topic and be obnoxious at the same time. You referred to Prasun as 'Prasunda' yet you do not show respect when commenting on his blog. Kindly refrain from obscenities and stick to the topic. I am a long follower of this blog and appreciate the way Prasun manages it. He provides facts regarding 'Defense related news as relates primarily to India and it neighbors'. He allows people to choose whatever conclusion they wish to arrive at. What you are doing here is not right - if you so desire to share your off topic views and indulge in name calling - however justified you believe it is, kindly create your own blog on those subjects - but please spare us your rantings. most of us follow this blog due to our interest in finding out what's happening from a defense perspective as relates to India!

abhradyuti said...

well mike d its quite familiar story for people like u to come to conclusions without looking around.
however pragmatism would have suggested otherwise.
the things were not started by me.
as said before i have apologised to prasunda.
but there are certain people whom i cant stand and they are quite befitting of the reply they get.
especially for those people who indulge in using obscene offensive language to get their IMAGINATIVE points across.
plz before commenting i wish u cud have exercised ur lazy eyeballs to see who started it all.
however i do realise what i have done and
HENCE I AM APOLOGISING TO EACH AND EVERY PERSON WHO CUD HAVE BEEN OFFENDED BY ME.
INCLUDING PRASUNDA.

li hung said...

lets talk on some constructive
link
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/12/20-years-of-mig-disasters.html

li hung said...

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/12/first-s-76r-civil-helicopter-airframe.html

Anonymous said...

u knw may be ur rich thanks to ur slut sister..

lol thats a nice one..

whats all the talk about US food and drug standards? i thought US health care and associated regulatory is hopeless, which is what Obama seeks to reform (or so he said pre-election)

li hung said...

and these too..

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/12/two-seater-trainer-version-of-tejas-pv.html

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/EADS-eyes-tie-up-with-ISRO-on-hypersonic-plane-technologies/articleshow/5300652.cms

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Foreign-firms-keen-on-DRDO-dengue-spray/articleshow/5298231.cms

and more importantly

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/04/16/chinese-copy-cats/

li hung said...

more here. lets have some meaningful discussion.

http://upiasia.com/Security/2009/11/16/russia_confronts_pakistan_china_
over_copied_weapons/5776/

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=154657

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/20090311.aspx

Anonymous said...

to abhradyuti

U CHANGE THE TOPIC FRTOM QUALITY OF DRUGS AND LABORATORIES TO IPR

Hey u motherfucking transgender it was u who changed the topic to some SNIPPET FROM THE MOUTH OF CK PRHALADA because u were couldnt think posting it as u were too busy watching your mother being fucked by the pharma guyz.The discuss was abt chinese labour &manf.

was never referring to the quality of trials.
why d fck did u brag abt &include the clinical trials when they were as bad as your moms pussy u frakin lizard fucker u

u fcking assholed who asked ur lecture for nobel prize abt chinese infra when d world knows abt it as abt your freaking family of transgenders
The indian govt unable to promote infra to chinese levels is evident

NDIA a global r&d hub
it is just 3% of outsourcing market u sister fucking eunuch

we all know such stories serve as great fairytale bedtime story.
I never justified their actions u asshole.They are using all means to compete fair and criminal which we dont do in sectors we r weak in .got that u asholeGO suck some chinese cock u may grow a brain.Now d bollywood movie is not reqd since u r into pornllywood making bad porn wit ur family.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN INDIA WONT BE A BIG MARKET

u saying that your brain having lost the ability to think because of u being anal fucked by a street dog as china with a huge number of people 90% lve above world bank defined poverty line while for india almost 49% are bpl and cant afford drugs
What it means to your ass of a brain "CHINA HAS A LOOoooooT MORE PEOPLE READY TO SPEND ON HEALTH CARE# AND HENCE AS BIGGER MARKET THaN INDIA now or in the near future .There r lot more affluent chinese who will help the MNCs make huge profits than serve bottom of the pyranid since the mncs are specialized in this niche area and more investment will flow into chinese healthcare including their domestic pharma while u fuck & let ur sister,mother ,family aunty uncles all be fucked by the whole of the country.
the CHINESE MARKET(industry fig not chinese govt) IS WORTH AROUD $45 BILKION DOLLARS u asshole while indias is projected to grow to $20BILLION IN 2015 you asshole which is why cos like mitsubishi with Medipal are enterin the chinese mart INSPITE OF IPR infringements

The only point going ur way is the enterprenuerial spirti with insurance companies conig in to insure people but then miracles can be expected as half of indian pop cant even eat much less abt medicines

Anonymous said...

contd.

http://www.pacificbridgemedical.com/newsletter/newsletter.php?year=2009&month=1 read this and they outline the fact that the chinese standards are very poor as compared to the US.
where is ur eyes in your arse or what nowhere in the link they cmp indian&chinese drug indstr (Neither did i claim chinese to be better at present)but the following links u overlooked while pimping ur family will tell u abt the major healthcare reform by the chinese wherby they will modernize hosp and clinics and provide basic hlth insurance to all urban&rur citizens and qual ctrl and prod monitor which is to be implemented by 2011 .ALL this means CHINA WILL HAVE A LOARGER MARKET TI BE DOMINATED BY CHINESE(manfg)&WEST(drug patents,practices...)pharmas which interest the indian genercs as well.
AS already posted lots of westen pharmas are in china while U R busy with ur grandpa humping u in ur back .

ALL THESE ARE DOCUMENTED FACTS NOT A FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION which is what runs in ur mind while licking ur sistas arse U motherfucking pimp

well yeah ppl are setting up LABs there but they are doing so only to address the domestic market

THey are gobbling indian generics manufacturers since many big sellers arte going to come off patent and these companies having challenged some of the patents first have an exclusive right to sell hem for six months and the western MNCs dont want to 1lose out they want to protect their home market of generics and indian dom mart is secondary(paltry campared to the US with a $290billion market )so an nobel winner for economics like u should figure out where the action still lay or you havent been paying attention as you are busy selling porn showing mother fucking rest of all the oharma gys

http://www.pacificbridgemedical.com/newsletter/article.php?id=442
http://www.pacificbridgemedical.com/newsletter/article.php?id=421
http://www.pacificbridgemedical.com/newsletter/article.php?id=396
http://www.pacificbridgemedical.com/newsletter/article.php?id=354

u seem to have an inherent hatred for d chinese was it becoz they refused to pay ur family after they fucked themsying your fam were lousy lays?
I dont need to convince the world abt chinese not coping or their development as I NEVER SAID THEY DIDNOT COPY and D WORLD KNOWS ABT THEIR DEV unlike u who is licking dogs cunts.Hope U perform better next time so the chinese pay u .u cld learn tricks from them.

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