Sunday, November 1, 2009

Ka-52 Alligator Detailed
















27 comments:

Anonymous said...

Indian Navy to procure five midget submarines


To strengthen its capabilities of carrying out special underwater operations in high seas and enemy harbours, the Indian Navy is planning to procure five midget submarines for the Marine Commandos (MARCOS).

Submarines weighing less than 150 tonnes are classified as midgets and are used by the Navies to carry out underwater covert operations and surveillance missions.

The Navy has already initiated the process of procuring these vessels and recently issued a Request for Proposal to Indian shipyards including Hindustan Shipyards Limited, ABG and Pipavav shipyards, Defence Ministry sources told PTI here.

Initially, Navy is planning to get only five of these vessels but the inductions can be doubled later on.

The induction of these midgets is part of the Navy's efforts to strengthen its operational capabilities after the 26/11 terror strikes in Mumbai last year, sources said.



any ideas???

Prasun K Sengupta said...

The new midget submarines are meant to replace the ones bought from Italy's CosMos Spa in the late 1970s. Larsen & Toubro already has built one prototype midget submarine and three years ago handed it over to the Navy for tests and evaluation. A scale-model of this vessel was displayed by L & T during DEFEXPO 2008.

Anonymous said...

thanks a lot prasun

Anonymous said...

mr prasun,

the same Cosmos MG120/ER midget subs was reported by Jane's to have equipped the Royal Malaysian Navy for past few years. The report said that 3 such subs has been in service so far. Is there any truth to this report? Could you shed a light on this based on your expertise/knowledge? How good is it in such shallow water ops/spec force ops? Which Malaysian unit owns/operates those midgets (if its in service?) Paskal or GGK?

Many thanks for your reply.
Mike

Divakar said...

Prasun,

What would be your personel among KA-52 and Apachi, if you have to. Also, please give me reasons for the pick.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

It says the Stinger A2A misisle as an aramament. Is it the same American one ?

hacker said...

Great post prasun da
but i think there is some deficiency in Ka-52 Alligator

1.Ka-52 Alligator- Service ceiling:18,000 ft(max) VS 21,000 ft (max) of Apache AH-64

2.Apache AH-64 has a millimeter-wave Fire Control Radar but Ka-52 Alligator does not have any

3.Apache AH-64 M230 30mm cannon is mounted on the front which is incorporated into Helmet mounted display and since it is in the front it has more angle of attack than the Ka-52 Alligator 30mm cannon which is mounted on the side so has a less angle of attack.


now is VK-2500 engine offered with the Ka-52 Alligator to india if it is then can increase the altitude.
and
is a scalable AESA like the EL/M-2052's front-end AESA array you have said offered with the Ka-52 Alligator which has millimeter-wave .

Is any missile JAMMING device on offer in the Ka-52 Alligator

lastly

what is the price difference of Ka-52 Alligator and AH-64D Apache Longbow ?

what is your opinion

Thank you...

Anonymous said...

Hi prasun any update current position on ARJUN mk2 and Lca mk2 .

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun ji,
I read this news- "Chinese parts in IAF encryption devices prompt security probe". How big is this security breach? Why should India put Chinese stuffs in their defense devices? Does India get similar items from other vendors?

I also read another article in past (Asiandefence), about Fincantieri's involvement in India's two careers? Are these two carriers different from what is made at CSL? Though I checked Fincantieri's site about this, I did not see it is involved in carriers, but it is manufacturing fleet tanker.

One of the main problems associated with the carrier building was the Carbon-Steel tech. Did India sort out the problems in manufacturing carbon-steel in India?


Thank you.

li hung said...

equadorian are thinking about returning helicopters back to india

Anonymous said...

@li hung
no they are not thinking about returning the choppers...the contract has a clause according to which the choppers could be returned if there is a technical fault. English isn't your best qual is it?

Anonymous said...

plz see this cnn report
http://ht.cdn.turner.com/cnn/big/world/2009/11/02/gps.china.credit.cnn_640x360_dl.flv

Marco D'Silva said...

OMG Prasun we've got a biiiig big prolem bro..the CCP's brainwashed pandas have chosen your blog to do communist propaganda now man! loool defence blog ftw?!

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Mike@6:59PM: Yes, the CosMos vessels were offered to the RMN between 1997 and 2001 via Naval Dockyard Sdn Bhd. But no such procurement has yet been made.

To Divakar: Between the AH-64D LongBow Apache and the Ka-52, I will definitely tend to go with the Ka-52 as the latter, with uprated Klimov VK-2500 engines (same as that on the 110 Mi-17V-5s being procured by the IAF) makes the Ka-52 far more manoeuvrable than the Apache, while greatly improving its hot-and-high performance over all kinds of terrain. In addition, when equipped with Israel-origin avionics and sensors of the type mandated by the IAF, its operational performance parameters will greatly exceed those of the Apache. No doubt about that, as the Apache has clearly demonstrated its performance limitations when operating in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

To Anon@1:33AM: The Ka-52 can be armed with either the Stinger A2A, or the Mistral ATAM, or the Igla-S/Strelets.

To hacker: As I explained above, the Ka-52 with VK-2500 engines will offer superior perfrmance characteristics. The AoA of the main gun is of little consequence as the Ka-52 will not be required to fly directly over the enemy's head (as has been the case with the Apache in Afghanistan, leading to several attacks by RPGs). The Ka-52's defensive aids suite will have A-to-A and SAM missile countermeasures elements as well. Pricewise, the Ka-52 will be about 15% cheaper than the Apache.

To Anon@9:20AM: It is an irony isn't it. On one hand there's all kind of anti-China hysteria in the India-based mass-media and on the other hand, a MoD-owned defence PSU lke BEL is acting as the agent for CETC and procuring its SEC-33 bulk encryptors off-the-shelf! But such encryptors are dual-use items that are procured commercially and many a time even the OEM (CETC) is unaware of the final export destinations of such encryptors. But as long as the encryptor's encryption chip is not preprogrammed (and the encryption software is locally installed by BEL in India), there's no operational risk whatsoever as BEL is the sole custodian and designer of the encryption software's (embedded by BEL in the encryption chip) crypto keys.

To Li Hung: Not the helicopters, but only the FDR of the crashed Dhruv ALH for forensic analysis.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Anon@9:20AM: Fincantieri is the principal design authority for the IAC's propulsion system and it is doing this exclusively for CSL. The contract presently is only for one IAC, not two. The specialised steel is coming from Russia, while SAIL is providing the rest.

Anonymous said...

Hi Anonm@ 2:33:00 PM,
Could you send the link again? End part of the website you mentioned missing. Or just send the heading. I will search it in google.
Thanks

Jay said...

Prasunji..
I hav sort of an awkward query..plz bear with me..
As a layman I fail to understand the discussions of deployment(where,what,quantity etc) of infantry divisions at LAC..and other esoteric details such as benefit of a railway infrastructure in Tibet for PLA or use of deployment of jet fighters close to Indian border..their strike package composition etc..

Is there a dummies book or a good reading suggestion or link where I can read up on meta information..DOCTRINAL and STRATEGY informationrather than actual defence/strategic issue updates which you have generously posts updates on your blog...
I do have tonnes of declassified US military manuals..from p2p would that do..?

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Jay: With all due respect, in my reckoning blogs like BROADSWORD, LIVEFIST and TRISHUL are the only ones that go out of their way to educate laymen in matters of national and regional security. If you go directly into any military manual it will get you even more confused.

Jay said...

Thanks for answering the query..
more than your blogposts..your comment section is the most educative..where u patiently answer even repetitive queries..you guys are awesome..about doctrinal/strategy stuff..I guess..crawl,walk,run..is the best..

Anonymous said...

Dear prasun Da,

It is a shame that this insightful article has very few responses.

Procurement of Helicopter Gunships is very important for India.

It seems that IAF is bent upon AH64D Apaches. The Kamov seems to have missed this bus. The only other contender from Russia is Mi28N.

Could you elaborate on the Mi-28N?

Regards

Anand

Anonymous said...

Prasun K Sengupta said...
To Anon@1:16AM: Regarding the news item you've posted, it does not state anywhere if the aircraft is a new-build one or an existing one that is being modified and converted into an aerial refuelling tanker. But what is significant is the use of the term IL-78, because what is now available from Ukraine are only IL-76MD cargo transport aircraft. Furthermore, Ukraine only has MRO facilities for the IL-76, not modification or manufacturing facilities.[COLOR="Red"] Therefore, what Pakistan has done is order the IL-78 airframes and PS-90A engines from Uzbekistan's TAPO and these aircraft will then be flown to Ukraine, where they will be fitted with aerial refuelling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR.[/COLOR] The PAF is perfectly aware of the fact that in another two years Ukrainian companies and TAPO will not be able to supply or service new-build
IL-76s and IL-78s and A-50Es as Russia is going to commission a new assembly line for these aircraft types at Voronez, and claim all IPRs for the IL-76 family of aircraft. Presently, TAPO only builds the airframe and undertakes final assembly, with the engines and avionics and accessories all being sourced from Russia. Therefore, the PAF will have to depend on the Russians for through-life product support for its IL-78MKPs. And this is exactly what the present Russian Ambassador to India confirmed last August in an interveiw to FORCE magazine when he said that eventually India will have to learn to live with the prospect of a Pakistan being armed with some weapons of Russian origin. I guess he was also referring to the RD-93 turbofans for the JF-17s and AL-31FN turbofans for the FC-20 M-MRCAs that will be inducted by the PAF in future.

http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2008/11/su-30mkis-at-ex-red-flag-08-clearing.html

Anonymous said...

Prasun K Sengupta said...
To Anon@1:16AM: Regarding the news item you've posted, it does not state anywhere if the aircraft is a new-build one or an existing one that is being modified and converted into an aerial refuelling tanker. But what is significant is the use of the term IL-78, because what is now available from Ukraine are only IL-76MD cargo transport aircraft. Furthermore, Ukraine only has MRO facilities for the IL-76, not modification or manufacturing facilities.

Therefore, what Pakistan has done is order the IL-78 airframes and PS-90A engines from Uzbekistan's TAPO and these aircraft will then be flown to Ukraine, where they will be fitted with aerial refuelling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR.

The PAF is perfectly aware of the fact that in another two years Ukrainian companies and TAPO will not be able to supply or service new-build IL-76s and IL-78s and A-50Es as Russia is going to commission a new assembly line for these aircraft types at Voronez, and claim all IPRs for the IL-76 family of aircraft. Presently, TAPO only builds the airframe and undertakes final assembly, with the engines and avionics and accessories all being sourced from Russia. Therefore, the PAF will have to depend on the Russians for through-life product support for its IL-78MKPs. And this is exactly what the present Russian Ambassador to India confirmed last August in an interveiw to FORCE magazine when he said that eventually India will have to learn to live with the prospect of a Pakistan being armed with some weapons of Russian origin. I guess he was also referring to the RD-93 turbofans for the JF-17s and AL-31FN turbofans for the FC-20 M-MRCAs that will be inducted by the PAF in future.

http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2008/11/su-30mkis-at-ex-red-flag-08-clearing.html

Anonymous said...


Prasun K Sengupta said...


To Anon@1:16AM: Regarding the news item you've posted, it does not state anywhere if the aircraft is a new-build one or an existing one that is being modified and converted into an aerial refuelling tanker. But what is significant is the use of the term IL-78, because what is now available from Ukraine are only IL-76MD cargo transport aircraft. Furthermore, Ukraine only has MRO facilities for the IL-76, not modification or manufacturing facilities.

Therefore, what Pakistan has done is order the IL-78 airframes and PS-90A engines from Uzbekistan's TAPO and these aircraft will then be flown to Ukraine, where they will be fitted with aerial refuelling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR.

The PAF is perfectly aware of the fact that in another two years Ukrainian companies and TAPO will not be able to supply or service new-build IL-76s and IL-78s and A-50Es as Russia is going to commission a new assembly line for these aircraft types at Voronez, and claim all IPRs for the IL-76 family of aircraft. Presently, TAPO only builds the airframe and undertakes final assembly, with the engines and avionics and accessories all being sourced from Russia. Therefore, the PAF will have to depend on the Russians for through-life product support for its IL-78MKPs. And this is exactly what the present Russian Ambassador to India confirmed last August in an interveiw to FORCE magazine when he said that eventually India will have to learn to live with the prospect of a Pakistan being armed with some weapons of Russian origin. I guess he was also referring to the RD-93 turbofans for the JF-17s and AL-31FN turbofans for the FC-20 M-MRCAs that will be inducted by the PAF in future.

http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2008/11/su-30mkis-at-ex-red-flag-08-clearing.html

Anonymous said...


Prasun K Sengupta
said...


To Anon@1:16AM: Regarding the news item you've posted, it does not state anywhere if the aircraft is a new-build one or an existing one that is being modified and converted into an aerial refuelling tanker. But what is significant is the use of the term IL-78, because what is now available from Ukraine are only IL-76MD cargo transport aircraft. Furthermore, Ukraine only has MRO facilities for the IL-76, not modification or manufacturing facilities.

Therefore, what Pakistan has done is order the IL-78 airframes and PS-90A engines from Uzbekistan's TAPO and these aircraft will then be flown to Ukraine, where they will be fitted with aerial refuelling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR.

The PAF is perfectly aware of the fact that in another two years Ukrainian companies and TAPO will not be able to supply or service new-build IL-76s and IL-78s and A-50Es as Russia is going to commission a new assembly line for these aircraft types at Voronez, and claim all IPRs for the IL-76 family of aircraft. Presently, TAPO only builds the airframe and undertakes final assembly, with the engines and avionics and accessories all being sourced from Russia. Therefore, the PAF will have to depend on the Russians for through-life product support for its IL-78MKPs. And this is exactly what the present Russian Ambassador to India confirmed last August in an interveiw to FORCE magazine when he said that eventually India will have to learn to live with the prospect of a Pakistan being armed with some weapons of Russian origin. I guess he was also referring to the RD-93 turbofans for the JF-17s and AL-31FN turbofans for the FC-20 M-MRCAs that will be inducted by the PAF in future.

http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2008/11/su-30mkis-at-ex-red-flag-08-clearing.html

Anonymous said...


Prasun K Sengupta
said...


To Anon@1:16AM: Regarding the news item you've posted, it does not state anywhere if the aircraft is a new-build one or an existing one that is being modified and converted into an aerial refuelling tanker. But what is significant is the use of the term IL-78, because what is now available from Ukraine are only IL-76MD cargo transport aircraft. Furthermore, Ukraine only has MRO facilities for the IL-76, not modification or manufacturing facilities.

Therefore, what Pakistan has done is order the IL-78 airframes and PS-90A engines from Uzbekistan's TAPO and these aircraft will then be flown to Ukraine, where they will be fitted with aerial refuelling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR.

The PAF is perfectly aware of the fact that in another two years Ukrainian companies and TAPO will not be able to supply or service new-build IL-76s and IL-78s and A-50Es as Russia is going to commission a new assembly line for these aircraft types at Voronez, and claim all IPRs for the IL-76 family of aircraft. Presently, TAPO only builds the airframe and undertakes final assembly, with the engines and avionics and accessories all being sourced from Russia. Therefore, the PAF will have to depend on the Russians for through-life product support for its IL-78MKPs. And this is exactly what the present Russian Ambassador to India confirmed last August in an interveiw to FORCE magazine when he said that eventually India will have to learn to live with the prospect of a Pakistan being armed with some weapons of Russian origin. I guess he was also referring to the RD-93 turbofans for the JF-17s and AL-31FN turbofans for the FC-20 M-MRCAs that will be inducted by the PAF in future.

http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2008/11/su-30mkis-at-ex-red-flag-08-clearing.html

Anonymous said...


Prasun K Sengupta
said...


To Anon@1:16AM: Regarding the news item you've posted, it does not state anywhere if the aircraft is a new-build one or an existing one that is being modified and converted into an aerial refuelling tanker. But what is significant is the use of the term IL-78, because what is now available from Ukraine are only IL-76MD cargo transport aircraft. Furthermore, Ukraine only has MRO facilities for the IL-76, not modification or manufacturing facilities.

Therefore, what Pakistan has done is order the IL-78 airframes and PS-90A engines from Uzbekistan's TAPO and these aircraft will then be flown to Ukraine, where they will be fitted with aerial refuelling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR.

The PAF is perfectly aware of the fact that in another two years Ukrainian companies and TAPO will not be able to supply or service new-build IL-76s and IL-78s and A-50Es as Russia is going to commission a new assembly line for these aircraft types at Voronez, and claim all IPRs for the IL-76 family of aircraft. Presently, TAPO only builds the airframe and undertakes final assembly, with the engines and avionics and accessories all being sourced from Russia. Therefore, the PAF will have to depend on the Russians for through-life product support for its IL-78MKPs. And this is exactly what the present Russian Ambassador to India confirmed last August in an interveiw to FORCE magazine when he said that eventually India will have to learn to live with the prospect of a Pakistan being armed with some weapons of Russian origin. I guess he was also referring to the RD-93 turbofans for the JF-17s and AL-31FN turbofans for the FC-20 M-MRCAs that will be inducted by the PAF in future.

Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:19:00 AM

Anonymous said...

PAF has bought IL-78MKP-90 powered by PS-90A engines not older D-30K engines

Here it is



Prasun K Sengupta
said...


To Anon@1:16AM: Regarding the news item you've posted, it does not state anywhere if the aircraft is a new-build one or an existing one that is being modified and converted into an aerial refuelling tanker. But what is significant is the use of the term IL-78, because what is now available from Ukraine are only IL-76MD cargo transport aircraft. Furthermore, Ukraine only has MRO facilities for the IL-76, not modification or manufacturing facilities.

Therefore, what Pakistan has done is order the IL-78 airframes and PS-90A engines from Uzbekistan's TAPO and these aircraft will then be flown to Ukraine, where they will be fitted with aerial refuelling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR.

The PAF is perfectly aware of the fact that in another two years Ukrainian companies and TAPO will not be able to supply or service new-build IL-76s and IL-78s and A-50Es as Russia is going to commission a new assembly line for these aircraft types at Voronez, and claim all IPRs for the IL-76 family of aircraft. Presently, TAPO only builds the airframe and undertakes final assembly, with the engines and avionics and accessories all being sourced from Russia. Therefore, the PAF will have to depend on the Russians for through-life product support for its IL-78MKPs. And this is exactly what the present Russian Ambassador to India confirmed last August in an interveiw to FORCE magazine when he said that eventually India will have to learn to live with the prospect of a Pakistan being armed with some weapons of Russian origin. I guess he was also referring to the RD-93 turbofans for the JF-17s and AL-31FN turbofans for the FC-20 M-MRCAs that will be inducted by the PAF in future.

Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:19:00 AM