Monday, November 24, 2008

Su-30MKI's Russia-Origin Weapons Package









The above-mentioned weapons are common to the Su-30MKs of India (MKI), Malaysia (MKM) and Algeria (MKA). Indonesia's Su-30MKs and Su-30MK2s too have this specified weapons package, although Indonesia and Malaysia have yet to place orders for the R-77 BVRAAM.--Prasun K. Sengupta

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

@Prasun Sir,
As most of the air forces in the world will shift to 5th gen fighters in a decade or so.Chinese r developing j-xx.if they made it they will eventually suply it to pakis.Then where does the mki fits into IAF's future plans.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

The Pakistan Air Force has already commenced work with Chengdu Aerospace Corp (CAC) for building a stealthier variant of the JF-17 that will also incorporate thrust vectoring and AESA radar. It next plans to get the J-10A M-MRCA. The CAC-developed J-XX (J-14) is much like the F/A-22 Raptor and will be a heavy air dominance combat aircraft powered by two MMPP Salyut-developed Type 117S turbofans and this too will incorporate thrust-vectoring. But the J-XX is still eight years away from service induction and will not be available for export before 2020. Once the FGFA begins entering service with the IAF around 2016-2018 then it will become the cutting edge of the IAF's air dominance capability, with the Su-30MKIs then acting as follow-on second-echelon forces. But by then the Su-30MKIs too will have been upgraded with higher thrust turbofans (the same as that on the FGFA), three-dimensional thrust vectoring as well as on-board AESA radar.

Anonymous said...

@ prasun

there have been news of novator r 172 aewac killer missile being developed by russia with india...........is it possible to thow some light on this.

thanks

Anonymous said...

Some of these weapons and also available to Pakistan via Ukraine.

Anonymous said...

"The Pakistan Air Force has already commenced work with Chengdu Aerospace Corp (CAC) for building a stealthier variant of the JF-17 that will also incorporate thrust vectoring and AESA radar."

When is it supposed to be tested?

and do you think there's hope for Tejas to feature thrust vector?

Ok, this may be a stale question, but for a one-off answer, which is better, JF17 or Tejas?

Anonymous said...

why must India buy free fall (unguided) bombs from Russia? Doesnt ordanance factory make them?

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

There is a basic flaw in comparing aircrafts like This Vs That.

Firstly the specs on paper, may not be accurate - either understated or Xagerated. So the craft may be pretty good on paper but may be pretty poor in real life. Public domain never has all the facts.

Secondly, the human aspect comes in. The training level of the pilot, him/her using their brains properly and knowing their machine well etc.

Having said that JF17 and LCA are a generation apart. JF17 may have an edge in terms of engine power and load. LCA may have an edge with 2052 radar and EW suite.

@Prasun : can u please comment on the scope for future upgrades on LCA considering its vv.small size and over-weight? How many "blocks" do u think is possible?

Anonymous said...

hey prasun any info on r172 missile any brochure anything

Anonymous said...

Anon - Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:22:00 AM

Yes I know that ultimate comparison should not be from specs alone but I just want Prasun's views as overall (not in 1 or 2 aspects), which one would he put his cash on and why.

Anonymous said...

http://www.cidap.gov.in/topwc.aspx

hacked

:-(

Prasun K Sengupta said...

The Novator KS-172 long-range AEW & C is not being considered by India at the moment and therefore it has been shown to date with only the Su-35M and not with the Su-30MKI. The IAF wants a LRAAM that is similar in performance to the Meteor, i.e. that can be provided mid-course guidance cues not from the launch aircraft, but from AEW & C platforms like the PHALCON. I will in future post some data and photos on the longer-range follow-on to the R-77 that comes equipped with ramjets and it is this LRAAM that is going to be co-developed by India and Russia, not the KS-172. The delay in this project's takeoff was due to earlier efforts by India to rope in Brazil and South Africa as risk-taking co-developers but both these countries have now backed off.

The stealthier variant of the JF-17 will take off withion the next three years. 150 JF-17s will be of the existing type while another 100 JF-17s will be of the stealthier type. As things now stand the Tejas LCA is a superior network-centric platform when compared to the existing JF-17 and the JF-17 will be more maintenance-heavy (requiring more man-hours of maintenance than the Tejas LCA). Moreover, the existing JF-17s won't have AESA on-board, whereas the Tejas LCA will from the very outset have AESA. The J-10s and stealthier JF-17s will have AESA on-board. Based on these, you can judge for yourself which one of the two (Tejas LCA & JF-17) is superior.

The IAF has bought free-fall bombs of Russian origin for the Su-30MKIs because the ones made by OFB have not yet been qualified for launch from the Su-30MKI.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

Regarding TVC for the Tejas LCA, it is a foregone conclusion that TVC will have to go on board the aircraft, as will the IRST sensor. The question is, from where? From Russia? From France? From Eurojet? I thing is sure: both the TVC nozzles and IRST sensors will have to be imported off-the-shelf as no indigenous R & D projects are underway to develop and field such solutions.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Anon@7:22AM: Well, no one has yet explained in detail what exactly are the weight penalties to be incurred with the Tejas LCA's present powerplant thrust ratings. What is the maximum desirable weapons load as far as the end-user is concerned? My view is that the overweight issue becomnes a factor when the Tejas LCA is made to operate from higher altitude air bases like the ones in Jammu & Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh. But one must also weight in the factors of new technologies becoming available like small-diameter bombs, either laser beam-riding or GPS-guided. After all, the Tejas LCA, even when being refuelled in mid-air, will still be a tactical air superiority/tactical interdictor/close air support aircraft and as such will not be required to carry the kind of heavy air-to-ground munitions that a Su-30MKI or Jaguar IS would carry. In my view, therefore, one needs to define and finalise the Tejas LCA's offensive capabilities first, followed by identifying its weapons load, i.e. whether it will be required to carry the bulky GBU-12-type LGBs or much smaller 150kg/250kg small-diameter bombs that are precision guided, or air-to-ground 10km+ range anti-armour missiles like the extended-range LAHAT or Nag ATGM.

Anonymous said...

Prasun, you seem to be like a foreign agent spreading out glossy brochures for MOD babus to have wet dreams.

Write about some indigenous stuff dude.

How about the arjun tank?. You are forgiven for the ludicrous test plan that you posted earlier

Prasun K Sengupta said...

FYI I've got box-full of such brochures! Imagine attending six to eight defence/aerospace expos a year and collecting a box-full of brochures (excluding all the product CDs). Also, minimum of 1,500 photos from each such expo. Got a lot to offload, whether you like it or not. As for the 'ludicrous test plan' your're right, it is ludicrous when viewed by the proponents of the T-90S MBT as they would be totally vapourised by the 'network-centric' Arjun Mk1 MBT. Again, FYI, I don't seek or need your forgiveness for anything for I've got all the necesaary data on the operations analysis done by both Army HQ and IMI on a one-on-one duel between the T-90S and Arjun Mk1, so thks but no thks. Dude, I've been dabbling in these key operations analysis areas since 1984, so please do cut me some slack and don't underestimate me or my capabilities or my resources. Regarding reportage on 'indigenous' stuff, I've already, earlier raised some key questions on the Tejas LCA programme and expect 'informed' folks like you to come up with constructive answers or possible solutions, that is, unless you only expect to be a sucker and want the info highway to be one-way. Nothing personal, dude.

_Dev said...

"FYI I've got box-full of such brochures! Imagine attending six to eight defence/aerospace expos a year and collecting a box-full of brochures "

Sir, why do you collect all those? I do go for some air shows if they come my way but ... box loads.. hmm.. Are yoy an enthusiast, or a collector or is it for business purposes?

_Dev

Prasun K Sengupta said...

They are strictly for business purposes.

_Dev said...

And may I ask sir, if you don't mind, what business do you do?

Just out of curiosity. Nothing personal.

_Dev

Prasun K Sengupta said...

Am in the aviation MRO business.

_Dev said...

hey my uncle is in it too... he owns a MRO facility in Houston, Texas., specialising in hobbyist prop planes.

but whats the use of tank ammunition details / mssiles for MRO?

_Dev

Anonymous said...

hmmm