do we buy this frm russia?why?its just a container with some computers and furniture.. do we really need to buy it specially frm russia?
prasun,any info about samtel MFDs for su30,LCA how they look like
The SAMTEL-built AMLCDs will look axactly the same as those currently on board the Su-30MKI and Tejas LCA. They will also be on board the Dhruv ALH, the Chetan & Cheetal helicopters, and on the upgraded Jaguars and MiG-27Ms.
to prasunv criticise russia over price issues but look at this articleUS sale of f16 to morocco and Moroccan authorities were swayed by a cut-rate offer made by the United States but in the end price morocco is paying is broadly comparable to that offered by France for the Rafale.France made two offers, one for 18 Rafales for 1.8 billion euros ($2.6 billion), and one for 2.2 billion euros ($3.2 billion) for 24 aircraft. The French offers included a full weapons suite (MICA air-to-air missiles and AASM laser-guided bombs) as well as an extensive ground environment, that Morocco will have to buy separately for the F-16sRafale is a significantly better plane, offering Morocco a level of quality overmatch that the F-16C/Ds cannot promise against neighboring Algeria’s MiG-29s and SU-30sEquivalent weapons like the AIM-120 AMRAAM and Paveway II/III kits were not included, but they are unlikely to add more than $200 million to the price of 24 aircraft------------------------------------------------similar cheaper prices US offering us for f16,18but US fighters r not that cheap similar scenerio will happen with us if v BUY US aircraft for exampleUS offering us F18E/F for 56millionthen y did they sold f18e/f to australia for 116million per plane plus support cost extraUAE bought f 16blk60 for 80million a piece don't know for how much they r offering us
I never believe such price quotes simply because they do not give the precise breakdown of the costs. A standard contract for procuring military aircraft includes the following:1) cost of buying the aircraft.2) cost of the aircraft's armaments package3) cost of setting up the ground-based infrastructure for housing the aircraft, which includes air base upgradation costs.4) cost of pilot flight conversion.5) ferrying and insurance costs for the aircraft during delivery.6) cost of the standard three-year spares package for supporting aircraft operations.7) cost of acquisition of flying training CBTs/simulators and maintenance aids for technical type training.Only under the US FMS system is such a detailed cost breakdown given as such data must be submitted to the US Congress for authorisation. Regretably, the Europeans and Russians do not have such a cost disclosure system and such cost figures are specified only in the final contractual documents. The Russians definitely are totally opaque when it comes to such cost break-downs. On the other hand, under the US FMS system, the aircraft operator must at all times (it is mandatory) maintain a credit facility of US$20 million with the US EXIM Bank at all times so that if an emergency spares requirement is raised, the spares quantum can be shipped out of US within 72 hours (and not within 6 months, as is the Russian practice).
to prasunya when US inposes sanctions u have to wait for upto 3 years.i don't think russia takes 6 months for spares delivry,russia agreed to make a spare house in india last year when antony visited russia.french offer to morocco also included aircraft cost,air to air missiles and air to gound bombs,and extensive gound support equipement in a single package which proves u wrongand for F16 morocco has to buy both armament and gound support seperately by paying extra money in addition to the aircraft price it neither shows any three years of spares delivery is included which again proves u wrong-------------Only under the US FMS system is such a detailed cost breakdown given as such data must be submitted to the US Congress for authorisation. Regretably, the Europeans and Russians do not have such a cost disclosure system australia paying $ 1 billion a year for maintainance and support of just 24 aircraft in addition to 2.8 billion it spent on buying 24 f18e/f,this again proves US also charges for extra for armament and ground support equippment.this shows how prohibitive is the cost of US sparesthis again proves u wrong
To Anon@12:21PM: As I had said earlier, if the Indian Navy had procured the standard three-year spares package for its Sea King helicopters way back in 1997 then the three-year spares embargo would have had no effect at all on the Navy's preparedness. Regarding Australia, the figure you are referring to is in A$ or US$? Because the figures you keep on quoting have no mention whatsoever on an Australian Defence Dept website. It would be better if you give the cost breakdowns in terms of the seven-point mechanism I earlier suggested. Regarding spares deliveries from Russia, Malaysia is still awaiting spares for its MiG-29s that were ordered 2 years ago! The problems have already begun for the spares deliveries of Su-30MKMs. At least in India due to IRAL the spares take six months to arrive.
to prasunif the Indian Navy had procured the standard three-year spares package for its Sea King helicopters way back in 1997 then the three-year spares embargo would have had no effect at all on the Navy's preparedness-----------------------------------------------------so y doesn't air force procure spares for three years package for it's mig29,su30mki and other aircraft from russia,it would b better,as i earlier said russia agreed to make a spare house in india last yearso its a IAF problem not russia's there is no problem about the spares of su30mkm cuz they haven't yet got the full number of fighters they bought and it will happen by the end of 2009neither IAF criticised spares for mig29 and su30mki aicrafts,and by the way su30 mki,mkm r in prodcution so there is no such problems of sparesno coountry's MOD website shows for how much money they r paying for equipment they buy,just like MOD OF INDIA website doesn't shows anything about thisthere r also other reporters in the world as well who do work very hard about getting right data so ur question "figures you keep on quoting have no mention whatsoever on an Australian Defence Dept website" is not justified cuz no MOD websight of any country shows these figures
To Anon@12:31PM: The Russians didn't offer to set up spares warehouses in India last year, but Rosoboronservice India was established in 2005 and it was then that the offer was made to set up spares warehouses for all three armed services. This is because the Russians, unlike the US or Europeans, do not have active production lines (due to very low spares quantities ordered for domestic Russian consumption) and so if someone were to make an urgent request for spares despatch, the Russian OEMs will not be able to respond with speed. The problem with setting up such warehouses is not from the Russian side, but from the Indian side as within the Ministry of Defence there is intense lobbying going on (at cross-purposes) by HAL and OFB to set up such warehouses along with Rosoboronservice. In my view this is wrong as Rosoboronservice India is a company whooly incorporated in India and there's no need for other DPSUs and OFB to get involved. To make matters worse, the three armed services in India do not have fiscal budgetary discipline required (as in France) to maintain the standard three-year spares inventories. Regarding the RMAF Su-30MKMs, all 18 delivered by last month and all are now flying, but the turbine blades of some AL-31FP turbofans have suffered from premature cracks due to FOD. This is because the Russians were supposed to certify the Su-30MKM air base and its runway in Gong Kedak as being operable for Su-30MKM flight operations and this work was not done properly.Regarding information on contractual spending trends, for instance in the US all such data are itemised when it comes to FMS contracts and are available from the US Library of Congress for free. In India's case such data is freely available from the website of the Comptroller & Auditor General of India and various reports of the Parliamentary Select Committee on Defence. Detailed breakdowns are provided there. The same is the case with the Australian Defence Dept. But news reporters in India generally do not have the discipline required for going through such figures and making sense out of them.
psasun,17 ge404 IN20 engines has been ordered for LCA for $105 million v r making 120 rd33-3 engines for $ 120million under TOT just think how much hefty amount v have to pay for GE engines even GE414,M88-3,EJ-2000 vill b more costly each engine cost approaching $ 10millionKAVERI engine is going to cost aount 10-11 million per piece for sure cuz core is being provied by france and french things r not cheap ----------------------------------------------------
sorrythat v r making 120 rd33-3 engines for $ 120million under TOT ----------------------------------------its $ 250million not $ 120million
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