The above photos detail the systems that have been specified for flight qualification on the Su-30MKI. For intelligence, surveillance, targeting for attack and reconnaissance (ISTAR) operations during both peacetime and wartime, the IAF has decided to equip its Su-30MKIs with Elbit Systems' Condor-2 LOROP pod (photos 1 & 2) and ELTA's 590kg EL/M-2060P (Photo 3) belly-mounted inverse synthetic aperture radar (ISAR) capable of tracking ground targets—both stationary and mobile—300km away and using the EL/K-1850 microwave data link operating in C-band, Ku-band and X-band for transmitting battlespace reconnaissance data to ground-based Corps-level HQs in real-time. generates in real-time synthetic aperture radar-based (SAR) maps approaching photographic quality (in both STRIP and SPOT modes) and ground moving target imagery (GMTI) while cruising at an altitude of more than 45,000 feet, and are capable of penetrating clouds, rain, smoke, fog and smog. The Su-30MKIs have already been equipped with a SIGINT suite (derived from the DARE-developed SIVA HADF pod) that will search, intercept, measure, localise, analyse, classify and monitor short-duration ground and airborne transmissions and their signals parameters—all aimed at building up, in real time, a picture of the electronic order of battle. These specially equipped Su-30MKIs of No30 Squadron and their Ground Exploitation Station (for receiving and interpreting the ISAR and SIGINT data) will be located at the IAF’s Barielly and Tezpur Air Force Stations. Photo 4 shows the ELTA-built EL/L-8222 EW pod, while Photos 5 & 6 show the 754 buddy-buddy aerial refuelling pod developed by the UK’s COBHAM Group for both the Su-30MKI and the IL-78MKI-90 aerial refuelling tanker. The pod has a fuel-flow rate of 1,552 litres per minute and has a hose trail length of 75 feet. Photo 7 shows the RAFAEL-built Popeye Lite ER precision-guided missile, while Photo 8 shows the Su-30MKI armed with the BrahMos, Kh-31Ps and WVR and BVR air combat missiles, although are data link pod for the BrahMos and the high-accuracy HADF pod for the Kh-31P2 is not shown.—Prasun K. Sengupta
42 comments:
no other fighter has such diverse weapon collection and
this explains y SU30 SERIES IS THE HOTTEST SELLING FIGHTER NOWDAYS
air to air
R 172
R 37 can b equipped
R 77 AND FUTURE RANJET
R 73,PYTHON5
THRUST VECTOR
AIR TO GROUND
RESPECTABLE EXTERNAL LOAD AND INTERNAL FUEL
KH 35,29,31 STAND OFF WEOPANS
KAB 500,1500 SERIES DIFF. VARIENTS
BRAHMOS
UNGUIDED BOMBS
AND SOME PEOPLE still HAVE doubts that is su30 a multi role fighter
no other fighter carry brahmos,r172 weapons and beats rafale on all parameters including price
Prasun some thoughts:
Those could be Kh-31A's. This could be a sample Anti ship loadout.
Popeye is very unlikely to go on Sukhoi. If we see defensenews and other media, Popeye aka Crystal Maze was acquired for Mirage 2000. MKI has superb Kh-59 ME missile, with 115 km range so no need for Popeye.
DRDO should work on some high power jammers for the MKI, why limit it to self protection EL 8222?
To Anon@1:18PM: Are mere yaar, the Su-30 or Su-30 series is not multi-role, but the Su-30MKI only. And that's because of the fantastic working relationship between Mikhail Simonov, Chief general Designer of Sukhoi OKB and the then Deputy Chief of Air Staff AVM S Krishnaswamy who lead the flight evaluation team in the late 1990s and it was due to his stewardship (when he became the IAF CAS) that he the concept of incremental block development approach was FIRST adopted by the IAF. It was also due to his visionary leadership that non-Russian systems like the Popeye Lite ER, Litening-3, TADIRAN-built secure data links, and RADA-built ACMI systems and mission planning/sortie debriefing systems were flight-qualified in India. Even the network-centric capabilities of the Su-30MKI--both existing and projected--were conceived by the IAF with Israeli assistance and the Russians till this day have no clue about how all these things work out. Same goes with the HUMS package from South Africa that is on-board the Su-30MKI. Even the Malsysian and Algerian Su-30MKs don't have HUMS on-board. And once the PHALCONS arrive the Su-30MKI will be transformed from being the current air dominance fighter to the air supremacy combat aircraft.
Lastly, what is about the KS-172? None of the Su-30 family members carry it. To date, only the Su-35M has been shown (at MAKS 2007) with this air-to-air missile.
no other fighter has such diverse weapon collection
F-15E has equally valid range of weaponry which is perhaps even better in some areas.
- Arvind
Prasun,
Do you have any pics/proof of Tadiran datalink on MKI? I ask because pics of MKI plus Aroors web only state Russian datalink.
Are mere yaar, the Su-30 or Su-30 series is not multi-role, but the Su-30MKI only.
Have to disagree 2 some extent here. Even PRC MKKs have most of weaponry on Indian MKIs, only they dont seem to have to got source codes to integrate more weapons and fits such as PL-12 etc.
But they also claim to have M-400 Pods and all sorts of same weaponry we have.
to anon at 1:58:00 PM
how u support ur comment both su 30 and f 15e r of similar class and has diverse abount of weopanry
and weopanry of su30 is no less competitive
CHINESE SU30MKK a multirole infcat all the su30 being sold now r multi role
F-15E has JDAMs and GPS guided weaponry which make it an all weather striker, and which will be a key advantage over MKI. Till it gets GLONASS equipped bombs.
To Anon@1:57PM: The Crystal Maze project involving the Popeye Lite PGM and its Pegasus data link pod also calls for the installation of a powerful mission computer and weapons management computer linked to a ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system (under the open-architecture scheme of things) for which there was no space on board the Mirage 2000. The Mirage 2000's current avionics suite is not of the open-architecture type. Secondly, the Popeye Lite is launched from higher altitudes than what the Mirage 2000 is qualified for. The Popeye Lite is a high-precision missile meant for attacking very high-value (leadership) targets that also require constant visual updates (hence the optronic sensor on the missile's nose), especially for the damage assessment reqmt. In addition, at least two EL/L-8222jamming pods are required for a Popeye Lite sortie. The Mirage 2000H/THs as yet don't have such capabilities as all these enhancements will be possible only after they have undergone the planned avionics upgrades by adopting the open-architecture approach. The Mirage 2000s of the IAF still make use of SAGEM-built dry-tuned gyros for inertial navigation and their standoff PGMs are currently limited to the AS-30L/Atlis-2 LDP combination. After the aircraft fleet is upgraded, particularly through installation of the new DARE-developed mission computer and weapons management computer will it be possible to arm the Mirage 2000 with the Popeye Lite.
The Su-30MKIs also carry Kh-31As and Kh-59MEs for maritime strike. They're good and reliable PGMs, but for high-precision land attack the Popeye Lite scores over the Kh-59ME. But during a maritime sortie involving the BrahMos, the Su-30MKI will carry Kh-31Ps for air defence suppression.
To Anon@2:01PM: I will soon post the photos of data links from TADIRAN for not only the Su-30MKI, but also of those that will be inside the BrahMos. Regarding the PLA Air Force's Su-30-based capabilities, I agree with you regarding the standoff PGM launch capabilities they now have. But when it comes to network centricity they will lose out UNLESS they too are equipped with the kind of data links that will enable their KJ-2000 AEW & C platforms to work as effective airborne battle management systems. However, the Chinese J-11 programme is quite interesting since it incorporates on board all the technological breakthroughs the Chinese have achieved thanks to their J-10A/B M-MRCA programme.
To Anon@2:11PM: India via ISRO is implementing the GAGAN project under which a regional constellation of at least seven GPS satellites will be deployed for both civil and military applications, with the secure PY-code being used by the armed forces and the Strategic Forces Command for strategic targets. There was a detailed writeup on GAGAN about a month ago in FRONTLINE magazine. The G-to-G agreement with Moscow for GLONASS-based PY-code is a back-up arrangement but it has its limitations that have not yet been spelt out, but is due to Russia's adherance to the NPT.
to sengupta and arvind and everyone
there is also russian JDAM
for more information go to
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Regional-PGM.html#GNPP_KAB-500KAB-1500_Precision_Guided
if f15 is equipped with JDAM etc
then there r three varients of
kab 1500/500 series
first
kab 1500/500KR tv guided
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second
kab 1500/500L LASER guided which v use on mki
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third one
kab1500/500A-E is GPS GUIDED but v never asked for it ,it uses glonass
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THERE IS ALSO KAB250 SERIES
actually russians havw every military tech but they r not media sevvy like western counterparts
JDAM is overstated and u all forget that there can b russian JDAM ASWELL
v better buy 126 +70 su30mki with
AESA ANS SUPERCRUISING ENGINES
better
than other aircraft
MAN I DIDNT KNOW OF THIS BLOG.... SOME GUY HAS PUT A CHEAP ADVERTISMENT ON BROADSWORD BLOG IMITATING YOUR NAME. EXCELLENT. ANYWAY WHY DID YOU NAME IT "TRISHUL", THE NAME OF A FAILED MISSILE (ALTHOUGH ITS ALSO THE NAME OF SHIVA'S SPEAR) BUT WE PREFER COMPARING IT TO SOMETHING IN THE DEFENCE SPEAR.
Sengupta can I please make a recomendation to focus more on indegenous indian defense projects (and space projects if its within your scope of knowledge)? There are too many conflicting reports on those and we need your view. Also keep up this format of making your posts short & informative. We will appreciate point form for inevitably longer ones. And regarding SU30MKI can you please comprehensively say how does ot match up to Pak F16 block 50 (i think) and J10s ? Thank you.
And lastly thanks for patiently answering most of the questions posed to you. I know its a tedious job and take my hats off for your patience.
to sengupta
u have not answered my question
which missile is better
1.MICA IR or AA10 IR
2. which radar is better
zhuk ae35 or rbe2 aesa
>>1.MICA IR or AA10 IR
Definitely Mica. IIR seeker and midcourse guidance making it a BVR IIR weapon. In contrast AA-10 IR has old gen seeker and no MCG.
>>>2. which radar is better
zhuk ae35 or rbe2 aesa
Again RBE-2 might be better in terms of technology and sophistication. Thales is part of EADS consortium to develop worldclass AESA chips. But in raw performance, fully scaled up MiG-35 radar may be equal.
to anon abouve
Definitely Mica. IIR seeker and midcourse guidance making it a BVR IIR weapon. In contrast AA-10 IR has old gen seeker and no MCG.
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r 73 has IR seeker and has range of 30 km and this missiles is WVR missile and new r 74 has better seeker
and AA10 HAS RANGE OF 80km same as that of MICA and both r BVR missiles
AA10 IR is in operation with IAF
and if AA10 IR is not bvr IAF would not induct it but simply use r73
and AA10 was the first BVR MISSILE IR missile
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Thales is part of EADS consortium to develop worldclass AESA chips
but it doesn't means others r inferior and the irbis e pesa outclasses in detection ranges european aesa radars even with inferior tech
and russian aesa will b more than a match for euro aesa radars
e.g
if bars29 and rbe2 pesa r of same tech and range so there can b
smaller version of
irbis e radar for mig series
and will b more than a match against european aesa radars
american fighters aren't that cheap
recent news
turkey bought 30 f16blk50 for
2.9 billion dollars
and that cost 96.99 million dollars for each aircraft
v bought 40 more su30mki for 2.2 billion dollars from russia each aircraft costs 55 million dollars
and su30 beats f16 in every parameter
just read for more info about JSF
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4837746.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1
Hey Prasun,
That pic shows an MKI flying with Brahmos. If i remember correctly, the Brahmos' test firing from a MKIis yet to take place. And I'm also told that the thrust required to take off with a Brahmos is so high that it wont be able to take off with anything but a single Brahmos, unlike what the picture suggests.
Are you sure that Pic's not a photoshop job?
to vishal nalkur
first think then write u r comment
su 30 cleard for 8 tons of payload
if rafale can take off with 9.5 tons of payload with its m88 engines then what is the problem with su 30 and its al31 engines
al31 has 131kN and m88 has 75kN
To Anon@2:26AM: Man, despite Ajai's specific request to fellow web-browsers to stop having wet-dreams in BROADSWORD, it seems to have fallen on deaf ears (sigh!). Anyway, I'm sure you would have concluded that it wasn't me. Regarding 'TRISHUL' there wasn't any grand design behind my decision to select it. Now, regarding the DRDO-developed SHORADS called Trishul, there wasn't any problem with the missile as such. Rather, the problem was with its command line-of-sight fire-control system which could have been resolved had the DRDO in the late 1990s teamed up with a foreign industrial partner like THALES to co-develop the SHORADS (just as the South Korean counterpart of the DRDO, the Agency for Defense Development or ADD, did).But who knows, maybe the Trishul's missile round would in future undergo a makeover.
To Indiarox@2:37AM: Thanks for your constructive feedback,mate. Without ranting too much, suffice to say that both the J-10 and F-16 Block 50/60 and even the Super Hornet, remain tactical combat aircraft and in a one-to-one showdown with the Su-30MKI, the latter will definitely score higher. But the days of such showdowns are clearly over, as the advent of AEW & C platforms and increasing reliance on network-centricity clearly dictate that the party possessing superior NCW-based air dominance/combat doctrines and superior airborne battle management practices will be the ultimate winner.
To Anon@6:36AM: Are yaar, as I explained above, mere pitting one piece of hardware against another doersn't prove any superiority or inferiority. Every single system piece of hardware must be INTEGRATED into an operational system in order to retain the decisive edge. If not, then even a Rafale with MICA IR/EM flying alone against a combination of MiG-21Bison and PHALCON AEW & C will be shot down.
To Vishal: The illustration is not a photograph, but a computer-generated illustration issued by the two OEMs of BrahMos. The air-launched variant of BrahMos will be much lighter as the missile will not require the bulky rocket booster which the ship-launched and land-launched variants require. You will be able to see the 'lighter' BrahMos once its flight-tests get underway next year, which will make use of the Tu-142M long-range MR/ASW aircraft as the missile launch platform. As far as the IAF is concerned, equipping the Su-30MKI with BrahMos (when equipped with the SGH-1 active radar) is not on its list of priorities and it is quite happy with the Popeye Lite PGM whose nos-mounted optronic sensor ensures not only a bull's eye hit, but also instantaneous confirmation of positive target destruction.
Vishal, Another point requiring clarification regarding the BrahMos on board the Su-30MKI, is that the reason the Su-30MKI can carry only 1 BrahMos is purely due to the airframe structural integrity limitations of the aircraft. It does not mean that the Su-30MKI is inferior, rather the missile's dimensions and weight are such that the only way of carrying it is by integrating it with the centreline under-fuselage weapons pylon. The Su-30MKI's wings weren't designed to carry the BrahMos and sustain the drag/G-forces at the same time. In addition, the Su-30MKI with its present AL-31FP thrust ratings will have no problem taking off with a single BrahMos when it is operating out of air bases in the plains. But for takeoff from higher altitude air bases such as those along the Sino-Indian border, higher thrust ratings for the AL-31FP will be required.
r 73 has IR seeker and has range of 30 km and this missiles is WVR missile and new r 74 has better seeker
How many R-74s are in service?
ZERO.
What is the R-73E actual range? Only the operator can tell. Extra range is useful for WVR manouevering not for BVR shots. The seeker cant lock on that far.
and AA10 HAS RANGE OF 80km same as that of MICA and both r BVR missiles
AA-10 range is around 60 km for actual performance. Nobody uses ballistic range as an indicator.
AA-10 ER range is 65 km per brochure. AA-12 range in similar condition is 50 km. This is medium alt launch against subsonic target.
AA10 IR is in operation with IAF
and if AA10 IR is not bvr IAF would not induct it but simply use r73
IAF bought AA-10 ET because it gives flexibility. Not because it is worldbeater.
and AA10 was the first BVR MISSILE IR missile
So WHAT? It has still no MCG. And it seeker is old tech.
but it doesn't means others r inferior and the irbis e pesa outclasses in detection ranges european aesa radars even with inferior tech
and russian aesa will b more than a match for euro aesa radars
e.g
if bars29 and rbe2 pesa r of same tech and range so there can b
smaller version of
irbis e radar for mig series
and will b more than a match against european aesa radars
That is exactly what i said. I said Russian radars give equal performance but at cost of higher weight/ less sophistication in some areas.
Rafale is weight optimized bird so it will require highest tech to get decent performance.
if bars29 and rbe2 pesa r of same tech and range so there can b
smaller version of
irbis e radar for mig series
Doubtful. Irbis gets range from raw power which means more power from engines of the level of 117S. That is not possible in the MiG-29. Lack of space means overheating of radar is also a possibility, since there cant be proper air cooling and there is no space for liquid cooling.
to anon abouve
if not for mig29 than for mig35 cuz mig 35 has uprated engines and has bigger nose for bigger radar compared to older mig29
AA-10 range is around 60 km for actual performance. Nobody uses ballistic range as an indicator
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then mica IR should have similar range to AA10 IR and explain how old the aa10 seeker is
AND MIND U THE ADVANCED AND LONGER RANGE VERSION OF AA10 IR WAS SHOWN ON MAKS2007 WITH SU35BM
after some time u will call aa12 has old tech seeker
if there can b a bars29 THEN THERE CAN B SMALLER VERSION OF IRBIS E
and 117s engine also allow supercruise
AA-10 range is around 60 km for actual performance. Nobody uses ballistic range as an indicator
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then mica IR should have similar range to AA10 IR and explain how old the aa10 seeker is
AND MIND U THE ADVANCED AND LONGER RANGE VERSION OF AA10 IR WAS SHOWN ON MAKS2007 WITH SU35BM
after some time u will call aa12 has old tech seeker
if there can b a bars29 THEN THERE CAN B SMALLER VERSION OF IRBIS E
and 117s engine also allow supercruise
AA-10 range is around 60 km for actual performance. Nobody uses ballistic range as an indicator
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then mica IR should have similar range to AA10 IR and explain how old the aa10 seeker is
AND MIND U THE ADVANCED AND LONGER RANGE VERSION OF AA10 IR WAS SHOWN ON MAKS2007 WITH SU35BM
after some time u will call aa12 has old tech seeker
if there can b a bars29 THEN THERE CAN B SMALLER VERSION OF IRBIS E
and 117s engine also allow supercruise
AND FOR MORE INFO ON aa10 seeker go to
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-BVR-AAM.html
it also tells about the various seekers of russian mssiles and their aquasiton ranges
AND CLEAR UR DOUBTS ABOUT AA10 SEEKER
Mr. Prasun,
Can I have an update on DRDO's MMR? Sorry if I missed the boat but I'm banging on your patience to get my answer.
then mica IR should have similar range to AA10 IR
do u have a problem with reading comprehension? the AA-10 range is only 60 km because that is how far the draggy airframe can sustain it. this is for the aa-10 ER version.
the aa-10 te does not have midcourse guidance, any launch more than 30 km and it will be scanning an area where there is no target. and it cant change direction midway.
mica will have better range because it can actually recieve targeting update and hit a target even when fired at 40 km plus.
and explain how old the aa10 seeker is
very old. the sarh seeker on the aa-10 depeneds on reflected radar energy from the target. the te version uses an old gen seeker without IIR technology.
AND MIND U THE ADVANCED AND LONGER RANGE VERSION OF AA10 IR WAS SHOWN ON MAKS2007 WITH SU35BM
where? ur just imagining things.
after some time u will call aa12 has old tech seeker
yeah, its no great seeker either. which is why india is developing the astra.
if there can b a bars29 THEN THERE CAN B SMALLER VERSION OF IRBIS E
and 117s engine also allow supercruise
speaking in caps only makes u look stupid. irbis e requires a lot of power and a similar smaller radar already exists it is called osa radar. but irbis e is doubtful to get that kind of performance at reduced power output of klimov engines. go for bars 29 instead.
AND FOR MORE INFO ON aa10 seeker go to
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-BVR-AAM.html
it also tells about the various seekers of russian mssiles and their aquasiton ranges
AND CLEAR UR DOUBTS ABOUT AA10 SEEKER
yeah it has many assumptions in there. who knows how much is correct.
actually thank u for the seeker link, its quite detailed, but i still wish there is some proof about which seeker TE version of alamo uses. but he seems logical its using the r-73e seeker.
and btw, ur article only shows the te version of the alamo, looks like u didnt read ur own stuff.:-P
and btw russian pics show the old geofizika seeker with a 13 km lockon range (5.4 nmi)..and no midcourse guidance, so that means the ET/TE will be used as glorified WVR missile.
to anon at 2.42 pm
first think and then speak and it shows ur idiotic thinking as well
and showes u have some kind of fobia about MCG
the AA-10 range is only 60 km because that is how far the draggy airframe can sustain it. this is for the aa-10 ER version.
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and aa10 series has good kinematic performance only b surpassed by ramjet missiles
the aa-10 te does not have midcourse guidance, any launch more than 30 km and it will be scanning an area where there is no target. and it cant change direction midway.
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how u come to know 30 km range just an assumption ,the heat seeking seeker only proceeds to heat emmiting target so y will it b flying blind
AND MIND U THE ADVANCED AND LONGER RANGE VERSION OF AA10 IR WAS SHOWN ON MAKS2007 WITH SU35BM
where? ur just imagining things.
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u didn't see the aa10 pic on su35 on maks 2007 thats the long range varient of current aa10 IR
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yeah, its no great seeker either. which is why india is developing the astra.
r 77 can engage other air to air missiles and evev guided munitions as well and by the time astra comes to action it will b outranged by ramjet missiles
but irbis e is doubtful to get that kind of performance at reduced power output of klimov engines. go for bars 29 instead.
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i never said smaller verion of irbis e for mig 35 series will have the same range but it will b competitive against apg 79,rbe2 aesa for sure
and by the way what r the ranges of apg79 ,rbe2 aesa against meter square of targets
yeah it has many assumptions in there. who knows how much is correct
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and u also have many assumptions about MICA
though i am not against MICA it a newer missile
by the way whats the cost diff. between mica and aa10
first think and then speak and it shows ur idiotic thinking as well
and showes u have some kind of fobia about MCG
compared to u, u illiterate idiot i am a genius
MCG is essential for a missile which has BVR range
without MCG the missile is effectively flying blind to coordinates where there is no target
and aa10 series has good kinematic performance only b surpassed by ramjet missiles
so what? its still old seeker which can be defeated and no MCG for ir missile
it shows complete laziness of designer which has done nothing to improve its product to match todayys technology
how u come to know 30 km range just an assumption ,the heat seeking seeker only proceeds to heat emmiting target so y will it b flying blind
see that article u urself linked and yes it will be flying blid unless its targt remains same place
why else do u think there is MCG to begin with?!?!
u didn't see the aa10 pic on su35 on maks 2007 thats the long range varient of current aa10 IR
abe that is just the aa-10 et/te with larger motor, in service since the 90's
r 77 can engage other air to air missiles and evev guided munitions as well and by the time astra comes to action it will b outranged by ramjet missiles
any older missile can also engage other missiles, but its depends a lot on launch radar
also with a range of 110 km astra is quite comparable to ramjet missiles and shows vert good performance for its design if they achieve it
i never said smaller verion of irbis e for mig 35 series will have the same range but it will b competitive against apg 79,rbe2 aesa for sure
thats what u have been claiming for so long
learn something about radars first. the irbis is nothing but a very high power system with slightly worse antenna in terms of sensitivity and weight. it depends on raw power for performance which is available pnly via the brand new engines on the su-35. its not an appraoch that can work for klimov equipped mig-35. that is why there is bars-29 and osa for mig-29 from niip and zhuk mfe from phazotron. apg-79 achieves its performance not just via raw power bt greater sensitivity thansk to multi channel aesa.
and by the way what r the ranges of apg79 ,rbe2 aesa against meter square of targets
rbe-2 is ~130 km against 5 sq mtr
apg-79 should be 200-250 km against same.
the above numbers are for rbe-2 pesa. rbe-2 aesa should be similar to apg-79.
to anon above
first u claimed r27 missiles r draggy and their speed is prohibited by drag but u were wrong and r27 missiles has longer range than r77
then u called r77 missile seeker is older seeker u were wrong
just read the prasun blog r77 vs MICA its superior to MICA
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see that article u urself linked and yes it will be flying blid unless its targt remains same place
idiot the above comment is ur assumption not mine and engineers r not idiot too that they will make a missile which is only designed to shoot the target which remains at the same place
the IR seeker of r27 will fallow the heat generated by menouvering target so it will not b flying blind thats what i said
and there can b a smaller version of irbis e radar with lower power just like smaller version of BARS FOR SU30 is bars29
and for two seater verion is OSA radar which is further smaller version of bars29 cuz trainer version has smaller nose compared to single seat version
and by the way bars29 is for mig29 upgrade and for mig29m which was shown on aero india2005
and if the smaller version of irbis gets the range about 200km against 5 meter square target it will not b bad thats what i am saying cuz tech already developed for irbis can b used to make smaller version just like APG SERIES and don't take it another way and there is no competition
idiot the above comment is ur assumption not mine and engineers r not idiot too that they will make a missile which is only designed to shoot the target which remains at the same place
the IR seeker of r27 will fallow the heat generated by menouvering target so it will not b flying blind thats what i said"
moron the aa-10 was designed at a time when the tech was not available, how can it "fallow" any target when its acquisition range is limited, and the missile doesnt have a datalink?
learn basics of bvr combat before boring us.
irst u claimed r27 missiles r draggy and their speed is prohibited by drag but u were wrong and r27 missiles has longer range than r77"
abe of course it is draggy! why do u think the aa-10 can engage targets only upto 8g? because it bleeds off energy like crazy thx to its large cruciform draggy wings
then u called r77 missile seeker is older seeker u were wrong
i am bloody right. the newer russian seekers are not in any missiles yet. go to ain and see the reports.
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